There Are Cliques on the BB

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Does the BB Have A Clique?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Not sure

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  4. Yes, and their attacks have personally hurt my feelings

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  5. No, because all is fair when it comes to forum style debates

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  1. righteousdude2

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    Are There Cliques on the BB?

    Sopranette asks a great question about church cliques. She states: "What if someone wants to join and be of service, but there is already a status quo preventing involvement?"

    I too have run head on into cliques within the church. When a "newby" enters an old, well established church there will be well established cliques, and breaking in takes nothing less than a miracle [most of the time].

    With that said, I have found that this board has at least one well established group of members [a clique]. And this group is often like a school of hungry piranha feeding on the words of new members. This clique looks to put an early exit mark on new members who may not be like-minded with the members of the clique.

    I have personally been confronted by these folks, and their attacks on my posts are nothing less than a spectacular fireworks show, often being shut down by a moderator because the post morphed into nothing more than trash talk. In the past this clique has used name calling and finger-pointing to get me off subject, and out of character by defending my words and firing back at their unfair comments. They were able to get me to buy into their hidden agenda of deceptive input/feedback, and my own words were than spun out of context and used against me.

    Sopranette brought up a great question, and I would like to take that thought one step beyond her original question. Let's examine the clique like hostility being used by members of this board, all in the name of "fair" debating practices.

    If you've been unfairly singled out by this clique, your response would be appreciated, as well as your response to the poll attached to this post.

    The only criteria I have is that anyone posting their thoughts PLEASE refrain from naming names of those they have been unfairly attacked by. A note of candidness: I too have been an "[... Jerk perhaps?]" in an attempt to protect myself from these attacks. I can not, and I am not, proclaiming any form of innocence. My responses have been defensively acrid, and I stand guilty, and repentant as a sinner before all of you on this board. I posted some hateful words all in the name of defending myself. But, as my Mama once said, "two wrongs, don't make a right!"

    [Moderator's Note: All BB posters are required to agree to abide by the BB Posting Rules and User Agreement. Therefore, if/when you feel someone has attacked you, this does not mean that you are free to respond in like fashion. The appropriate response is to hit the "Report Bad Post" Icon, explain the nature of your complaint, and wait for a BB Moderator or Administrator to take action. You must not lash out and attack back or you may find yourself facing suspension and/or banning by the BB Administrative Council.]

    Hopefully by posting our feelings we can make some changes in this board that will put an end to these cliquish attacks, that all too often drive new members away, with bad feelings about the BB. And this is not how God would want us to treat our brethren.

    IMHO, it is truly sad that this board has cliques, and even more sad that these folks gang up on the unsuspecting member, takeover their post, and in some incidences turn their threads into gossip as they run down the individual making light of their comments while they brag about how they were victorious in their hostile takeover of the post.

    Shalom,

    Pastor Paul :type:
     
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  2. JerryL

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    I live by the motto of "If I got something to say, I'll names or PM the offender." I don't hide behind post trying to get another dissention started. In other words, "If I got something to say,I say it." If you've got a problem with people, be a man and confront them.
     
  3. righteousdude2

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    Not Trying to Cause Divisions

    I wrote this articles to clear the air, not cause division, or dissension. By naming names, I am being judgmental [IMHO], and that is not my intention.

    If anyone believes my intention is to cause division, I apologize. My heart is in this question, and I simply want to see the board be more like Christ in their response to one another. I fail to see any harm in this. After all: WWJD????
     
  4. JerryL

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    I think He would say what's on His mind to who it is directed to, as He did with the Pharisees. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just from the south and down here we believe in getting to point with who we need to talk to, and leave everybody else out of our business.
     
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    Well I think that as long as we engage in debate on an open forum we will and can expect to get flamed on occation. I have felt like prey on many of my posts for using the KJV as my reference source for verses. Yes the wolfe packs roam the boards for stray sheep. :tear:
     
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    True, But.....

    I don't disagree with you brother.....but, this board involves too many people, and I am sure there are people, like myself, who have felt the bite of the clique. I am hoping to open the wounds and let them heal, without getting into a finger-pointing war, and naming names would, IMHO, be counter-productive. This type of question is open-ended, and does not put anyone person on the hot seat with the need to defend their past action.

    I pray you understand. Believe me, those that have offended me have received "private" e-mails per their personal profile.
     
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    I Like Your Description

    Being "Flamed" is a good descirption of what happens when you cross these folks. Sorry about the KJV. I have no problem with what version you use, as long as you are using a Bible to live by. Personally, I love the Amplified Bible, and that may get me "flamed."
     
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    I am sorry you feel this way, but I must disagree. In debating anything, there will always be people with like opinions and different opinions. This does not make a "clique."

    I have found most of the BB members to be consistent in conduct. If you really have a problem, that's why we have moderators. They do a good job. We also have the benefit of pm, and in this case I think it should be used instead of airing a complaint to the whole board in general. I don't mean to be unkind in any way, but it doesn't help to come across as a martyr who wants people to take sides. I do not wish to be offensive, just truthful. JMHO, but I like BB, even if I don't agree with everybody.
     
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    :thumbs:

    I completely agree.

    Righteousdude, I really don't understand the point of the OP. It looks like you're just trying to start trouble.
     
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    I love the BB too...

    Because I love this board, I brought this question up. I realize there are going to differences in opinions, and that is fine. It is the confrontational manner in which some people attack your opinions that is offensive and not Christ like. That is what should be addressed.

    I don't see anything wrong with this poll, and the moderators should not fear the opinions of others and knowing what others think. A poll like this can serve to improve the BB overall.

    Thanks for your opinion. I am NOT trying to cause problems, just stimulate open debate. Who knows, the poll could show that my opinion is worthless and without merit. That is what this question is all about. I need to know if I wear my feelings on my shoulder too loosely.
     
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  11. The Scribe

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    Neither do I. ;)

    I don't believe you're trying to cause problems either.

    There are cliques here and in some churches I've been to. That shouldn't happen among Christians.
     
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    I agree with all three of these posts. There are people here on the BB that have a good bit to say. Some of which say it loud and clear, some of us aren't too good with words, but we have a say never the less.

    I have only seen the members of this BB "turn" on another after it has been shown that the original poster is only here to stir the pot. Most of the times, that user is banned and in my opinion, shows that the users on this board can see through people pretty well.

    Does it get hot and heavy sometimes in some discussions? Yes. Are there times that a user will post a question, haveing already made up their mind, but will ask for our input? Yes. Did they do just to stir the pot? I believe sometimes they do. Then there are people that will ask a question in a debate forum and when asked a question themselves, won't answer. I have to wonder why these people even bothered to post.

    I feel people are treated well and with respect here until they no longer deserve it.

    I am not sure how you would know that new members have been driven away and have bad feelings about the BB. You yourself have only been a member for a few short months. In my opinion, you haven't given all the people on the BB time to know them with the exception of the ones that have disagreed with your posts or thoughts.

    I have been here a couple of years and know some people on this board. Some of them agree with me, some of them don't. A select few don't even like me I am sure, but that doesn't stop me from posting and learning and sharing.

    Jamie
     
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    And there are people who like to sit in the corner and eat worms, out of self pity.

    love,

    Sopranette (playing the world's tiniest violin).
     
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    I learned real fast you gotta have a thick skin on debate forums. It's sad, but even Christians with differing opinions get heated at times.
     
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    I have seen people gang up on new members. As I recall this happened to Righteous Dude.

    I think this type of thing has caused several BB members to leave out of frustration and I have thought of it myself at times. But I hang on cause.......I don't have any better sense! :laugh:
     
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    RD2, from your pic in your avatar, you look like a big sized dude. Call out the culprits and challenge them to a boxing match. J/K:laugh:
     
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    There are definately cliques. They are usually theological in nature (the abstinence crowd, KJVO crowd, the old ME crowd, calvinist crowd, non cal crowd, etc.).
     
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    NOw, I'm Jealous...

    I WANT A Clique!!!
     
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    Not to worry Tinytim.

    The criteria of being on the clique is WEIGHT.
    I'll give you 218 reasons why I'm on the Clique Policy Board!

    If you ever get down to the weight it says on your driver's license, you will be kicked off the BB :eek:
     
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    Since we don't have clique Tim, maybe you and me could start one. We could have a box with black and white balls in it to vote on new members.
     
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