Thinking: can you really handle it?

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  1. prophet

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    Does :
    1Ti 6:20
    20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

    include "sciences" that aren't true to the 6 steps of scientific study?
     
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    Sorry, Prophet, this is off-topic, but I picture several people on this board running to their bookshelves or the Internet to see what Calvin, Arminius, or someone in between said about "thinking."

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    OK, done laughing. Please carry on.
     
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    Oh, the humanity!
     
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    By the 6 steps, I assume you are speaking of the "scientific method"?

    1. Make an observation
    2. Ask a question
    3. Form a hypothesis
    4. Construct an experiment to test hypothesis
    5. Accept or reject Null hypothesis
    6. Recycle with adjusted hypothesis/Communicate results.

    No calvinists or arminians were consulted. :)
     
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    Righto! I would add that step 5 includes formulating a theory, if the hypothesis is accepted.
     
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    May I humbly submit...

    King James Version
    Strong's Lexicon # G1108: gnōsis

    1. knowledge signifies in general intelligence, understanding
    A. the general knowledge of Christian religion
    B. the deeper more perfect and enlarged knowledge of this religion, such as belongs to the more advanced
    C. esp. of things lawful and unlawful for Christians
    D. moral wisdom, such as is seen in right living

    NET Bible
    This doesn't seem to be concerned with the "knowledge" of science, but of alternate versions of Christ, God or Salvation. The word translated 'science' in the KJV is shown here. It is 'gnosis' from which derives - among other words - the term 'Gnostic', meaning that sect of Christianity who claimed to have more 'revealed' to them than the garden variety Christians; usually by special revelation of the Holy Spirit.

    I don't think this is referring to astronomy or building robots.

    However, if the discussion centers on the 'scientific method'; it seems to work well. Always has for me.
     
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    Archie,

    I would agree with you here, the "knowledge" that Timothy is stating a caution against is this type of "secret or elite knowledge" proposed by various gnostic sects. I don't see the warning against the pursuit and acquisition of natural knowledge.
     
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    There is a warning, but it is not a warning against using science.
    The warning is agsinst "oppositions of science"
    These oppositions are "falsely so called" : 'science'.
     
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    If you would just read some of the previous posts --the passaage is talking about knowledge --gnostic knowledge. It has nothing to do with science as such.
     
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    That's funny, cuz it says "science".
    Also because why would one be warned to avoid oppositions of gnosticism? Duh!
     
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    In a few English translations such as the KJV --but it does not mean science as we mean science today. It refers to esoteric knowledge of the privileged few.
     
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    In the text, the warning is to avoid oppositions, no?
     
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    Here,is the snip you can understand from the NIV:"...Turn away from...the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge."

    Or the even easier to read and understand --NLT96:"Avoid...those who oppose you with their so-called knowledge."
     
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    I understand the text I quoted.
     
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    Okay then, you're all squared away in that you know the text has nothing to do with science as we understand the connotative and denotative definitions.
     
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    If you are saying that Paul was referring to specific oppositions of that day, which were likely gnostic in nature, I understand.
    If you are saying that the Greeks didn't have science, as we know it, or that Paul wouldn't have been versed in the known sciences, then I can't concur.
    Does this clear up things?
     
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    That's the ticket.
     

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