This Is For The ‘Nothing Is Happening’ Crowd…

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  1. poncho

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    A lot of people out there expected something to happen in September that did not ultimately happen. There were all kinds of wild theories floating around, and many of them had no basis in reality whatsoever. But without a doubt, some very important things did happen in September. As I warned about ahead of time, we are witnessing the most significant global financial meltdown since the end of 2008. All of the largest stock markets in the world are crashing simultaneously, and so far the amount of wealth that has been wiped out worldwide is in excess of 5 trillion dollars. In addition to stocks, junk bonds are also crashing, and Bank of America says that it is a “slow moving trainwreck that seems to be accelerating“. Thanks to the commodity price crash, many of the largest commodity traders on the planet are now imploding. I wrote about the death spiral that has gripped Glencore yesterday. On Tuesday, the stock price of the largest commodity trader in Asia, the Noble Group, plummeted like a rock and commodity trading giant Trafigura appears to be in worse shape than either Glencore or the Noble Group. The total collapse of any of them could easily be a bigger event than the implosion of Lehman Brothers in 2008. So I honestly do not understand the “nothing is happening” crowd. It takes ignorance on an almost unbelievable level to try to claim that “nothing is happening” in the financial world right now.

    Within the last 60 days, we have seen some things happen that we have never seen before.

    Continue . . . http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/this-is-for-the-nothing-is-happening-crowd
     
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    Add Barb Wire on European Borders for the first time in 70 Years to that, which wasnt shocking enough i guess...
    And lets not forget, theres still the worst refugee crysis ever going on right now.
    Liquid Water on Mars will acellerate the "Live on other Planets" lie.
    M8.3 Earthquake in Chile killed whoknows how many ppl, while the overall Number of EQ's is going insane, a Sign specifically mentioned by Jesus.
    Only a handful of folx know wheather CERN succeeded in opening the claimed dimensional "doorway".
    They didnt like inform the public in "Stargate", and they sure wouldnt in RL.
    ...and thats pretty much just the tip of the iceberg.
    Id say quite alot of stuff DID happen in September.
     
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    Actually the Stargate program was exposed in Season 8, episode 8. They even paraded a grey alien in front of cameras at a press conference.

    Well, yes, if you want to make stuff up in your head, LOTS of stuff happens every day. It's part of the charm of living that sort of life.
     
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    Well there will be an disclosure at some point, when they pull of the "good alien, bad alien" thing.
    Just not yet... ;)

    What exactly has been made up, of the above stated?
    2014 has been the year with the highest earthquake count EVER(according to official sources), with even more recorded in 2015 allready, those guys DID make those quotations, as a german i see the loads of refugees ona daily basis etc...
    You can ofc be ignorant of the facts, and thereby become fulfilled bible-prophecy yourself...
     
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    The "Nothing is happening crowd"?

    Nothing like a good strawman!
     
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    Sorry, didn't mean to steal your thunder. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    According to Hank Hanegraff (sp?), host of the "Bible Answer Man" radio program, all this "conspiratorial prophetic 'scare tactics'"----at least that's what "Bro. Hank" calls it, is in reality, basically a scam to lure otherwise "good, well-meaning, but,"---for the most part anyway---"un-educated in the 'science of Biblical prophetic hermeneutics.'"

    Now, at least MHOP---which doesn't ALWAYS agree on every little fine point of biblical theology with that of "Bro. Hank"---I'd pretty much have to agree with him on this particular point when it comes to evaluating some of these, what "Bro. Hank" refers to them as being "scam artists cloaked in 'religious prophetic ambience' whose main goal is to rid people of their money by buying 'the latest and greatest book that'll tell you EXACTLY WHEN the [You name it.....] is SURE to occur!!"

    In essence, he's saying that if you wish to fund these charlatans, and/or continue being an enabler for their scams, go ahead, but "caveat emptor!!

    Personally, In the almost 50 years as a Child of God,I've learned "the hard way" about some of these dudes, so much that at this point my tendencies is to shy away from at least 90% of these guys that come on TV or via unsolicited mail and have you send them some rather exorbitant amount of $$$ for the latest gimmick on eschatology that they've produced.

    What troubles me more is that some of these "merchants of gloom and doom" were once men whose ministries were---or still are to some extent---valid ones in other aspects of Christian ministries.

    You'd want to believe that "(Fill-In-The-Blank) Ministries," that may have helpful resources on other aspects of the Bible or Christian ministries, would also be of some help in what Hanegraff, et.al., claim are, in reality, "religious soothsayers or fortune tellers who'll be as helpful as the Witch of Endor was to Saul after Samuel died."

    Anyway, "that's my story, and I'm sticking with it!! :thumbs: :wavey:
     
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    I agree that there are quite a bunch of charlatans out there, who want nothing else but your cash.
    Same deal as with the 2012 doomsday guys, whom i considered nutcracks based on the "evidence" they provided, rather than prejudice.
    Judging based on those black sheep is dangerous and deluding.
    Theres not just a few poeple out there, who offer their work for FREE, and cant be dismissed by stuffing them into that compartment.
    In contrast alot of their claims can easily be verified or dismissed, based on info provided by credible sources.

    The Bible challanges to put everything to the test, and to not dismiss anything based on presumptions.
    Once you do your own research, youll quickly become able to distiquish certain things.

    Lemme throw in an example here: Channellers, Mediums, Abductees
    Ive allways thought their just either nuts or only are after our hard earned $$$, until i actually spent(or wasted, depending on the POV) some time looking into it.
    Now, there were some weired things that became apparent quickly, like those "spirit entities" having quite remarkable similarities in:

    a) What they say.
    Even tho the stories seem to be tailored to match the individual reciepients believes,
    the story claims themself allways revolve around the same topics, with only different kinds of fluff.
    An ever repeating phrase being "I AM" for instance, and the strong suggestion of some sort of evolution in Mans conciousness being imminent, and how were all so totally awsome.
    Some claim to talk to "Pleidians", some to "World teachers of old", some to the dead, etc,
    But the underlying message remains the same, with Jesus being a hot topic, and the denial of his deity in general, and the deification of man. (Satans 3 D's from genesis, doubt, denial, deification)
    Which begs the questions why supposed "Aliens" would have any interrest in our religion for example.
    ...this ties in with point d.

    b) The way they express themselfes.
    They have eerily similar intonation, sharing a very unique way to speak, suggesting they all belong to the same "gang",
    same as how humans adopt the slang used in their circle of friends.
    Again it doesent matter to what individual group the channeller belongs to,
    those similarities are observable throughout the whole spektrum.

    c) Pictures of worldwide catastrophe.
    Another, independent of which group of people you listen to, overall theme
    of Man being on the brink of destroying "Mother Nature" appears to be omnipresent.
    Some claim the Planet itself will take actions to get rif of man, some claim desaster
    caused by man will occour, some claim stellar objects will be the cause of that desater,
    whatever may be the background, the story is consistend, noticably riding the
    "Oroboros train" of cyclical events, with us reaching the end of one of those cycles.
    This ofc is intimity tied to a), without the religious touch basically.

    d) Messages revieved.
    Roughly 3% of the overall population claim to have abduction expiriences, thats MILLIONS of people.
    To give you a comparrison, 3% is allso the ammount of homosexuals in our society, enough justify the passing of laws.
    They all describe stuff that could be right out of the book of Enoch, and his description of demons.
    They all have religious expiriences caused by their contacts, that cause a transformation towards being supportive of the New Age agenda,
    (grab some of the writings of Alice Bailey and/or Helena P.Blawatsky to get an overview)
    and alot of them have a several thousand word spanning message, that is identical word for word in plenty of cases,
    "implanted" by means of(and thats an ever-consistent factor too) telepathy.
    Calling out Jesus for help seems to have the "strange" habbit of immediately ending such an expirience,
    as reported by numerous victims from all spektrums of society. :jesus:
    Simmilarities are found amoungst white and black "witches" alike, again only the fluff is reasonably different,
    with the topic of wordwide desaster and the message to prevent it again being an ever repeating factor.
    Same goes for Mediums, that channel "Ascended Masters", with the main difference being the origin of the channeled or encountered being.

    Now, i could go on with this for literally hours, what im trying to say here is that such a wealth of "similarities" cant be dismissed as coincidence.
    Mind how most of theese people dont earn a single buck with it.
    Theres clearly an Agenda being pushed on us, by the very means as described in Literature of renown NWO-initiators.
    Desaster being imminent is thrown at us from all angles, wich ties in too perfectly with the biblical prerequisite,
    of horrible times for which the antichrist will provide solutions, and therefore be praised by all of man as our savior.

    Just not looking at it wont cause it to go away, and ignorance sure never helped anyone.


    regards
     
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    LOL! Prove it. Prove that 3% of the population has claimed to be abducted.


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    No doubt about that.
     
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    Good thing your not the kind of guy whos too lazy to put 5 minutes into a google search, and has to be spoonfed everything.
    first search attempt on "millions of abductees"
    Thats a pretty low estimate, granted its only 0.3, but numbers vary alot, depending on the source(allso, north america quite isnt the hotspot in terms of UFO-activity).
    However its good enough to emphasise that were not just dealing with a couple thousand nutcracks, but literally millions of people.
    Krass case of mass-hysteria?
     
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    So your estimate was off by a factor of 10X. That's not insignificant.

    And how many abductions were reported BEFORE the incident at Roswell was widely reported and/or before the US went into space? For example, how many abductees were reported before 1958?

    Suppose I accept that people are being abducted by UFOs. Why would the number of people need to be in the millions?
     
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    Nope, im just too lazy to search for stuff you should be looking up yourself.
    Some estimates even pick numbers well above 5%.
    3% is a value most "credible" ufo reseachers(i.e. those who allso look at this from different angles, and dont shove everything on ET conspiring with the Government) roll with.
    Allso, as suprising as that might be to you, America is not the centre of the world. In Britain for instance sightings are ALOT more frequent.
    You apparently failed to read or take that note from my last post, regarding this, into account.

    Pick up "Demonology" by good ol King James.
    Prior to Roswell ppl were talking about demons instead of aliens, their reports match however, down to minute details. Its just a different packaging adapting to ppls believes and expectations.
    Another thing you shouldve looked up before stating your "oppinion" thats not based on any information basis other than your prejudice.
    You might want to go read Proverbs and reflect about what it says regarding how you just behaved.

    Were not dealing with Aliens here at all...
    Do some research about how many ppl claim to be abused by demons.
    The only thing that changed is how ppl compartmentalize their expirience, which results in a decrease in folx who claim to have encountered demons, and an proportional increase in so called UFO-abductees.
     
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    Nowhere did I restrain the abductees to be from the US. I only mentioned Roswell and the US space program as the starting point for these stories.

    Prior to Roswell people were NOT describing aliens in flying saucers picking people up and doing biological experiments on them. There were no reports of mysterious cattle mutilations.

    Irony.

    Then why is the only link you've provided to a site called ufoevidence.org, feature the classic picture of an alien with black, oval shaped eyes and state, "Abduction events and descriptions of aliens are relatively uniform."??!
     
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    Youve failed to recognise how i pointed out that theese events are more common elsewhere.
    The linked page however only talks about the 3million(registered) people in the US.
    Go figure...

    Wrong. What people descibe as biological experiments shares the same charachteristics as the descriptions about rituals performed by demons.
    It follows a distinct pattern, that is identical in both cases, just the scenery differs.
    Allso, flying saucers have been reported throughout mankinds history, while their appeal follows the spirit of the age.
    Its been "flying scrolls" in ancient times, Zeppelin style Airships during the 18-19th century, and nowadays weve got flying discs.
    While the appearance changes, the phenomenon itself is as old as recorded history.
    Sarcificing animals allso isnt exactly new, Moses allready did it...
    A good example of what happenes if you apply certain expectations to your conclusion however, instead of looking at the raw facts only.

    Not at all, as a good Chrstian your supposed to give things the benefit of the doubt, until disprooven.
    But dont believe my words, listen to what God says, right there in Proverbs.

    Because i know, from a wealth of expirience with people of your attitude(just a generalization, no need to take personal offense), that spoonfeeding you Info is a complete and utter waste of time.
    As long as your not going out finding those things for yourself, it will have exactly zero effect(your own signature bears testimony to that).
    And honest researchers, over which you should stumble sooner or later, on the topic do indeed draw certain conclusions outside of mainstream.
    Theres a big difference in searching for the truth, or for proove of ones own convictions.

    But since your apparently asking for a pointer, go ahead and google "LA Marzulli" for instance, or give Age of Deceit a watch, both of which i consider good starting points, with the latter being a pretty good summary of what
    ive learned about the UFO-Phenomenon, and the obscured truth behind its facade, so far.

    I might add that i bought into this whole ET and panspermia deal for roughly 20 years, so im not new to the general topic, before i started to even consider a different approach.
    Dont waste your time in a similar manner, and throw your prejudice overboard, or you will have a hard time figuring that reality is indeed way more bizzare than fiction could ever be.
     
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    I don't know about aliens from other planets or dimensions but the way our politicians operate you'd think they're living in another dimension.

    The Twilight Zone?
     
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    Wrong. I failed to recognize that it is happening anywhere. I never limited to any particular area.

    So, people see things congruent to their particular era of history. Why don't people see zeppelin style ships in the 21st century? Maybe these people are seeing things they've heard about but aren't really there? BTW, where are all the UFO sightings of late? They seemed to have really died down now that everyone walks around with a camera phone. Go figure.


    So you are saying that the cattle mutilations are actually demons sacrificing animals. Is that correct?

    No, Christians are supposed to use the Word of God to discern truth or fiction, not believe any and every thing until science proves it one way or the other.

    More like you aren't capable of articulating your positions and beliefs.

    I have read a whole bunch of UFO books by supposedly "Christian" authors. It always comes back to Nephilim in space ships.

    Yep, read the first novel in his Nephilim trilogy a few years back. Laughable tripe.

    I don't have 2 1/2 hours of free time to watch a YouTube video. Why don't you just come out and say what you think about it and save us both a whole lot of time?

    I've been reading this stuff since I was a child and approached it with an open mind the entire time. Nothing I've read has been convincing. Mostly there is a bunch of unanswered questions that adherents turn into leading questions, example, "Could it be that cattle mutilations are secretly being done by the U.S. government because they are studying bovine brain cells since mad cow disease is causing Alzheimers and rather than panic the citizenry they let UFO-ologists blame the mutilations on aliens?"

    The last couple of books I read about it were the novelizations of the theories of Michael S. Heiser, an author with a PhD in ancient and Hebrew languages, "The Facade" and "The Portent". What a crazy mish-mash of unsupportable claptrap those things were. Basically, the books were about the sort of stuff you'd see on the History Channel's "Ancient Aliens" or whatever other shows they have on every weekend. The author even managed to work the Nazis into his outlandish theories.

    [I hope anyone else reading this thread is being entertained.]
     
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    Theres this fancy thing called context, in this particular case the % of the population claiming to have had abductions.
    It wasnt even ABOUT what you recognize or not.
    Just arguing for the sake of arguing i guess.

    Actually the exact opposite is the case, now that everybody has a cellphone with camera, the footagelevel is higher than ever.
    Its so common actually that it even makes it to the news frequently, and if dozens of individuals tape the same event, denying it just makes no sense.
    And ppl dont see Zepellins anymore because wed expect something that looks more technologically advanced.
    Similar to Zepellins being the edge of technology or what ppl could imagine a couple hundret years ago, nowadays its antigravity driven-discs.

    I say most of the UFO Phenomenon is demonic activity.
    A certain percentage are for sure the latest military toys, but that cant attribute for all the sightings.

    Zechariah 5:1-2, Ezekiel 1:4-5, 2 Kings 2:11, Genesis 6, etc, etc, etc...
    The Bible does indeed talk alot about UFOs, and same as i do, it says its demonic activity.
    So, since the Bible claims it, you ARE supposed to believe it brother.

    Which again is totally inline with what the Bible says.
    Wheres YOUR proove that its all nonsense to claim these accounts wouldnt be true btw?
    Bottomline is you dont trust in what the Bible says, and throw insults at those who do.
    Btw, the term "UFO" doesent involve space at all. Thats again what you interpret into it.
    I dont think any of theese things ever left earth, because no radar ever picked up one leaving the athmosphere, while we do indeed track them flying about in it.
    Its even questionable that theese things are physical objects to begin with, leave alone someone sitting in them...
    Demons can assume any form they please, they might as well fake UFO's by appearing as one.

    Go read Genesis again. The Bible clearly states they survived the Flood, and it furthermore confirms that Israel failed to kill the remaining ones.
    That means yes, conclusively their still around. *shocker*

    As if youd regognise anything i say, if you even deny what the Bible says...
    Propably you should ditch 2 1/2 hours of History Channel garbage and give it a watch.

    You, an open mind? Now THATS the most madeup story ive come across so far.

    Again you deny the explantion the Bible does indeed offer.

    See above. You claim to take the Bible as reference, yet you seek truth in what History Channel dudes have to say, while denying the explanation offered by God.
    ...thats SO open minded of you. -.-
     
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