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Discussion in '2007 Archive' started by Rufus_1611, Jun 21, 2007.
The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?
I would believe our troops before I would believe the Iraqi government. Especially since it is against Iraqi law (that same constitution for an islamic state that we helped to craft and put into place, BTW) for Iraqi children to be adopted by people from other countries (such as America). They can only become guardians, and only muslims are allowed to become guardians of Iraqi orphans. Non-muslims aren't allowed to have any rights at all.
Did you believe them about Jessica Lynch and/or Pat Tillman?
Excellent points. That doesn't sound like a tolerant and free democracy to me.
Yes. The "troops" on the ground told the truth in both cases.
Whether it was the "troops" on the ground or the troops off the ground, the U.S. Military has proven a track record of lying about such instances for the purposes of manipulating public opinion. Public relations is far more important to the war effort than telling the truth.
In some cases . that may be true.
Read "Flags of our Fathers". It's been going on a long time. If it can help the war effort and the morale of the troops, why not make a little bit of hero out of someone who's not. Tillman and Lynch are good examples and no real harm was done to anyone.
But the fact remains that the troops involved in both actions always told the truth. All one has to do is pay attention to get the real story.
So to answer your question. Will I believe our troops over the Iraqi government?
What a very "ends justify the means" world view you have there. Lying is wrong saith the Bible.
Who drafted the Silver Star citation? Who's testimony contributed to the citation? You want to make this a brass versus grunt issue so be it. The troops on the ground always tell the truth and it's just the officers that are liars eh?
Will you believe the troops over the American government?
The troops on the ground have always told a different story from what we get from the media. But you have to look for it. Agenda driven government reps and anti war pukes only tell us what they want us to know.
I thought everyone knew that.
God also says that judgement is His. You'd best remember that.:thumbs:
I believe there's something in that book somewhere that says something about judging righteous judgment. In my judgment I think lying is wrong and I believe the Bible confirms that, in your judgment it sounds like you're alright with it as long as "no real harm is done". Of course someone will have to judge when a lie causes harm and when it doesn't, so it may complicate your theory a bit.
As in your example of self righteous judgement?
Interesting development, carpro has initiated the Pharisee Gambit. I have rarely seen this move in tournament play.
Not to interrupt a good debate, but I don't like that Pharisee word being thrown around, since they absolutely denied any power Christ had.
Just my 2 cents, and I probably overcharged.
Pretty much. Case in point - Donald Rumsfeld and the troops not having enough body armor and upgraded humvees. I followed this very closely when the Hack was alive to relay the REAL messages from the poor grunts on the ground. It was nearly always a different story than what the official spin of the Secretary of Defense. Also, even a lot of generals have told a far different story than what was told the American people by the Rummy. So once again, yes. And I sure would believe them over the Iraqi government, as stated previously.
And BTW, (with moderator hat on), please ya'll refrain from personal innuendos - the thread seems to be heading towards personal attacks, in my moderator opinion.