Time to tell the truth about me....

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by BornBaptist, Aug 17, 2004.

  1. BornBaptist

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    Hi Guys,

    After weeks of thinking about it, praying about it, and worrying about it. I've decided to come forth with the truth about me. before I say what I want to say... I never ever really wanted to intentionally decieve anyone. I just really wanted to be a part of this board. I WAS born into a Baptist family, I WAS born into or SAVED a Baptist. I just ended up getting involved in with the Pentecostal's for about 9 years. alot has happened since then, I backslid, got away, far from God. Came back to the Lord. and I've found myself in a place where, I quite frankly, want nothing to do with the pentecostal's any longer. I find myself questioning thier beliefs, I've been really reading and searching the word. and find myself, not really going back to being a "flaming" calvinist. because alot of that belief system, I just cannot agree with. But, I still feel a Baptist. at heart.

    Truth is guys, I've been here before, and got caught up in a debate, trying to defend a belief system that I am now having doubts about. I can't can't I totally disbelieve in the pentecostal beliefs, But, alot of it is tradition and religion and I think there are alot errors.

    Are you all going to reject me, and kick me to curb, so to speak, because I disagree with Calvinism?

    I came here, because I respect alot of the people in here, (and yes, that includes you too, Dr. Bob, Bowtie and all... :D ) I may not agree with ALL your doctrine, But I do share in most of it.

    So, humbly, I stand before you, begging your mercy and grace. and ask you, Will you kick out, a fellow Baptist, who's trying to sort through and just wants to find out where I stand in the Lord's kingdom? [​IMG]

    Respectivly,

    -Charles Patrick Adkins

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    BornBaptist
     
  2. amixedupmom

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    0.o Funny Charles, I thought that is what we are all here for? I think that we are all trying to find our way. I know i'm saved but, at times I feel lost in the shuffle. All you need to do is believe in Jesus Christ as your savior. The detials will fall into place later. Afterall you have to have sound foundation in order to build. Keep the faith!

    I'll be praying for you!
     
  3. pinoybaptist

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    Kick you out ?
    Not me.
    I used to have a strong roundhouse kick back in those days when I could sleep two hours at night and wake up fresh as a rose at sunup, but, rheumatism's starting to set in sooooo........
     
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    Charles,

    Everyone here is a sinner saved by grace. We have all made mistakes along the way and it is not for me to condemn you. You are a brother in Christ and I welcome you here. I hope you will find some measure of love, support and fellowship here which will help you in your own personal walk.

    Blessings

    Sheila
     
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    Well, I really admire your honesty & the need to be part of this Board. I'm not either one of those C or A's & don't reckon it makes a difference to the folks here; I'm just a plain ol'Baptist who loves the Lord with all her heart. I don't think you have to be a Baptist to post on this Board, but do to post in the Baptist-Only sections.

    My son(whose name is Patrick Acton) is caught-up in a pentecostal type movement(oneness/apostolic)...and my prayer is to see him come out of it. I can understand what you mean about not completely disbelieving them. I find I get along better with them than most of the carnal/wordly baptist who live here.

    They say confession's good for the soul and now the load is lifted off your shoulders, eh? May the Lord bless and use you mightily. [​IMG]
     
  6. dianetavegia

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    Charles, I'm with Granny. I'm NOT a C or A but just Biblical. [​IMG]

    No curb kicking from me!
    Diane
     
  7. StefanM

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    You don't have to be a Calvinist to be a Baptist, so you're fine [​IMG] .
     
  8. BornBaptist

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    I thank you all kindly for your kindness. just to let you all know, I am no way shape or forum, involved with the One-ness Branch of the Pentecostal bunch, they're a DANGEREOUS bunch, almost to the extereme cult like status. I will be praying your son gets out of that group.

    Born Baptist
     
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    Also... if you all wanna hang a title on me, I could be called a "Free-Will" Baptist.

    [​IMG]
     
  10. StefanM

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    Free-will Baptists are Arminian in theology, so we could call you that too.
     
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    Amen Stef.
    Charles, I don't really agree with Calvinists either and it doesn't matter to me. If we were all rubber stamps of each other, wouldn't it be a dull world. I do find that I have to stay away from some of the threads as I get caught up in things that I really don't want to debate. Sometimes having one's say is not the best for them or others. There are many people who just need to pass on some of these issues as they seem to wind up getting their feelings hurt or there is a lot of name calling.

    I'm glad you decided to come back. Many people wouldn't have admitted to making a mistake. I think it shows that you are an honest and humble Christian man who isn't ruled by his ego like a lot of men are.

    I did something similar once and left a group because of a dispute with the manager. I later came back under another name, but had to confess it to him after a few weeks because I couldn't stand him not knowing it was me. He was glad to have me back, but the relationship was never the same and I eventually left for good and had to leave a part of my heart behind because I cared a lot of the people there.

    I wouldn't kick you to the curb if you were a Calvinist. [​IMG]
     
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    Free-will Baptists are Arminian in theology, so we could call you that too. </font>[/QUOTE]Well Now... wait a minute. I'm not totally into Arminianism.

    For my COMPLETE statement of faith go here:

    My personal statement of faith from my website...

    Only part of the Tulip I accept is the T, the rest... well, go see for yourself. and also read the WHOLE thing... and you'll see where I stand on alot of things...

    -BornBaptist

    P.S Thank GOD for the editing feature here... otherwise, ya'll would think I was some sort of idiot! [​IMG]
     
  13. BornBaptist

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    Whew! that's a relief. It gets cold out on that curb in the winter... [​IMG]
     
  14. StefanM

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    Your Statement of faith is inconsistent.

    From your sof:

    1. Total Inability or Total Depravity

    Because of the fall, man is unable of himself to savingly believe the gospel. The sinner is dead, blind, and deaf to the things of God; his heart is deceitful and desperately corrupt. His will is not free, it is in bondage to his evil nature, therefore, he will not - indeed he cannot - choose good over evil in the spiritual realm. Consequently, it takes much more than the Spirit's assistance to bring a sinner to Christ - it takes regeneration by which the Spirit makes the sinner alive and gives him a new nature. Faith is not something man contributes to salvation but is itself a part of God's gift of salvation - it is God's gift to the sinner, not the sinner's gift to God.

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    4. The Holy Spirit Can Be Effectually Resisted


    The Spirit calls inwardly all those who are called outwardly by the gospel invitation; He does all that He can to bring every sinner to salvation. But inasmuch as man is free, he can successfully resist the Spirit's call. The Spirit cannot regenerate the sinner until he believes; faith (which is man's contribution) proceeds and makes possible the new birth. Thus, man's free will limits the Spirit in the application of Christ's saving work. The Holy Spirit can only draw to Christ those who allow Him to have His way with them. Until the sinner responds, the Spirit cannot give life. God's grace, therefore, is not invincible; it can be, and often is, resisted and thwarted by man.



    The italicized parts are mutually exclusive and contradictory. I'm not trying to debate the issue, just letting you know that it won't work with both of those!
     
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    right. and I'm editing now. thanks.
     
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    I edited it and reuploaded it to my website. Is it all okie dokie now?

    thank you for preventing me from looking like a total double-minded knot-head... [​IMG]
     
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    I edited it and reuploaded it to my website. Is it all okie dokie now?

    thank you for preventing me from looking like a total double-minded knot-head... [​IMG]
    </font>[/QUOTE]It can work as a system now, but I have a question with respect to Total depravity.

    Is it your position that the enabling grace of the Holy Spirit allows a person to choose to accept Christ?

    (I couldn't determine from your statement one way or the other.)
     
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    I edited it and reuploaded it to my website. Is it all okie dokie now?

    thank you for preventing me from looking like a total double-minded knot-head... [​IMG]
    </font>[/QUOTE]It can work as a system now, but I have a question with respect to Total depravity.

    Is it your position that the enabling grace of the Holy Spirit allows a person to choose to accept Christ?

    (I couldn't determine from your statement one way or the other.)
    </font>[/QUOTE]No. it is by one's free-will wether we accept Christ or not. I don't believe we are mind-less drones who are controlled by God, and have no say so in the matter. should I put this somewhere in there? question is, where?

    If you ain't figured it out by now, I find alot of this "High brow" theology most boring and some of it a bit confusing. Now, granted, I will not ever believe that Jesus died only for a "select few" but rather ALL. but some of that other stuff is enough make a guy go Blubbty blub blub blub.... (i think you all will reconise what I am doing here!) , anyhow... Hopefully I can get it all straightened out here... how do you like my music on that page?

    blessings,

    BornBaptist

    [ August 17, 2004, 06:40 PM: Message edited by: BornBaptist ]
     
  19. StefanM

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    Yes, but here's my question.

    Which of these do you believe?

    A. All persons have the inherent ability to choose Christ (sin does not leave them totally depraved).

    B. All persons have the ability to choose Christ, but only because of the enabling grace of the Holy Spirit.

    C. Only those chosen by God have the ability to come to faith in Christ, and the Holy Spirit causes this to happen.

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    A. This is the position of Pelagius.

    B. This is the position of Arminius.

    C. This is the position of Calvin.
     
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    Yes, but here's my question.

    Which of these do you believe?

    A. All persons have the inherent ability to choose Christ (sin does not leave them totally depraved).

    B. All persons have the ability to choose Christ, but only because of the enabling grace of the Holy Spirit.

    C. Only those chosen by God have the ability to come to faith in Christ, and the Holy Spirit causes this to happen.

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    A. This is the position of Pelagius.

    B. This is the position of Arminius.

    C. This is the position of Calvin.
    </font>[/QUOTE]and to answer this I will say...

    I believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and all the rest is religion. ;)

    However to answer your question. B would sound more like what I believe.

    so, am I now branded a hell bound person or something?
     

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