To Al Gore; apology accepted.

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  1. Bro. Curtis

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    Not all liberals embrace the Goracle.....

    You are probably wondering whether President-elect Obama owes the world an apology for his actions regarding global warming. The answer is, not yet. There is one person, however, who does. You have probably guessed his name: Al Gore......

    ...1. First, the expression "climate change" itself is a redundancy, and contains a lie. Climate has always changed, and always will. There has been no stable period of climate during the Holocene, our own climatic era, which began with the end of the last ice age 12,000 years ago. During the Holocene there have been numerous sub-periods with dramatically varied climate, such as the warm Holocene Optimum (7,000 B.C. to 3,000 B.C., during which humanity began to flourish, and advance technologically), the warm Roman Optimum (200 B.C. to 400 A.D., a time of abundant crops that promoted the empire), the cold Dark Ages (400 A.D. to 900 A.D., during which the Nile River froze, major cities were abandoned, the Roman Empire fell apart, and pestilence and famine were widespread), the Medieval Warm Period (900 A.D. to 1300 A.D., during which agriculture flourished, wealth increased, and dozens of lavish examples of Gothic architecture were created), the Little Ice Age (1300 to 1850, during much of which plague, crop failures, witch burnings, food riots -- and even revolutions, including the French Revolution -- were the rule of thumb), followed by our own time of relative warmth (1850 to present, during which population has increased, technology and medical advances have been astonishing, and agriculture has flourished)....

    ...2. Mr. Gore has gone so far to discourage debate on climate as to refer to those who question his simplistic view of the atmosphere as "flat-Earthers." This, too, is right on target, except for one tiny detail. It is exactly the opposite of the truth.

    Indeed, it is Mr. Gore and his brethren who are flat-Earthers....

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    3. What the alarmists now state is that past episodes of warming were not caused by C02 but amplified by it, which is debatable, for many reasons, but, more important, is a far cry from the version of events sold to the public by Mr. Gore.
    Meanwhile, the theory that carbon dioxide "drives" climate in any meaningful way is simply wrong and, again, evidence of a "flat-Earth" mentality. Carbon dioxide cannot absorb an unlimited amount of infrared radiation. Why not? Because it only absorbs heat along limited bandwidths, and is already absorbing just about everything it can.....

    ...4. This mechanism has never been shown to exist. Indeed, increased temperature leads to increased evaporation of the oceans, which leads to increased cloud cover (one cooling effect) and increased precipitation (a bigger cooling effect). Within certain bounds, in other words, the ocean-atmosphere system has a very effective self-regulating tendency. By the way, water vapor is far more prevalent, and relevant, in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide -- a trace gas. Water vapor's absorption spectrum also overlays that of carbon dioxide. They cannot both absorb the same energy!....

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    To be told, as I have been, by Mr. Gore, again and again, that carbon dioxide is a grave threat to humankind is not just annoying, by the way, although it is that! To re-tool our economies in an effort to suppress carbon dioxide and its imaginary effect on climate, when other, graver problems exist is, simply put, wrong. Particulate pollution, such as that causing the Asian brown cloud, is a real problem. Two billion people on Earth living without electricity, in darkened huts and hovels polluted by charcoal smoke, is a real problem.
    So, let us indeed start a Manhattan Project-like mission to create alternative sources of energy. And, in the meantime, let us neither cripple our own economy by mislabeling carbon dioxide a pollutant nor discourage development in the Third World, where suffering continues unabated, day after day.
    Again, Mr. Gore, I accept your apology.
    And, Mr. Obama, though I voted for you for a thousand times a thousand reasons, I hope never to need one from you.....



    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harold-ambler/mr-gore-apology-accepted_b_154982.html




    That's right, the Huffington Post.
     
  2. LeBuick

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    That is certainly one view and he is entitled to his view but I don't see him as an expert nor do I see expert non-biased testimony offered to support this conjecture. I do notice they had an agenda when they began writing this article.

     
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    Well, he's still a Huffy poster.

    Even so, what's to benefit for throwing Al Gore under a bus ? What would he gain ?
     
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    According to Him he gets even with Gore... He says Gore insertions that carbon dioxide is a grave threat is annoying to him. This meas he's on the other side of the discussion or it wouldn't be annoying.

     
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    Or he thinks Al Gore is a liar.
     
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    We all have thoughts and opinions, where is the proof?
     
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    Let's address the article, shall we ? Refer to anything on there. They explain the CO2 thing pretty well, without a lot of big words. Still a Huffy, but maybe some light is creeping in. And maybe the left will eat this guy alive.
     
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    Or they have the same political agenda Gore has. But I suppose the same question could be asked of the judge. Either way he has been found to be a liar.
     
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    Liar is a strong word... I like to think alarmist.

    I don't know about global warming but I do see a brown cloud each day I look toward the city. I'm no scientist but there is no way that can be healthy.
     
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    Arafat won a Nobel Prize. The people who give the Nobel Prize are morons.
     
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    Heresy for a Huffie, wouldn't you say? :laugh:
     
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    Two fallacies in your argument:

    1. You're assuming that scientists can't have an agenda, too.
    2. You speak of a "scientific community" as a monolithic entity, with one brain and one voice. That's simply not accurate. And people are jumping the Man Made Global Warming (MMGW) ship faster than we can keep up with them.
     
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    "Compared to other left-wing blogs such as the expertise-heavy Znet or the long-established Daily Kos, The Huffington Post offers both news commentary and coverage. It has a policy of encouraging comments from all parts of the political spectrum."

    - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huffington_Post#Contributors
     
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    Exactly my point, who can you trust?
     
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    I'll trust folk that are interested in the truth, not a political agenda.

    That makes it pretty clear.




    And before it is thrown out there...of course I think recycling, cleaning up pollution, etc. are wonderful things that we should actively pursue.
     
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    I have to agree with that.
     
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    But who is that? It seems everyone has an agenda...
     

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