To Be or Not to Be Blotted Out of God’s Book

I believe you have it right as I had posted on the first page...

God bless!

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Yes, I believe it is.

Act 17:28For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

No.

Yes, all are born sinners. (Romans 5)

They do not get written down, they get blotted out if they are found to have lived "ignorantly in unbelief" at the final judgment.

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Actually, that would be a ROSTER, not a ROOSTER.


Sorry, that was too funny to pass by. :smilewinkgrin:

 

I was going to make a little fun about the extra o, but I make too many spelling erros myself so I abstained. It is a comical error though. I am sure brother HP does not mind a bit of funnin.

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Oh, I do it too. But this one cracked me up! No offense meant to HP.

 

You might have a point brother. I am not married to this idea of all being in the book of life and then blotted out afterward.

Maybe you could elaborate on how your pov of this plays out in people's lives.

First I would ask, why does it say that all written in the Lambs book of life have already been written there before they ever actually existed? (Rev 17:8)

Second question would relate to the possible answer of the first, which is how does one get written in teh Lamb's book of life if they have not already been written there prior to existing?

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It is a good one :thumbs:

 

You might have a point brother. I am not married to this idea of all being in the book of life and then blotted out afterward.

Maybe you could elaborate on how your pov of this plays out in people's lives.

First I would ask, why does it say that all written in the Lambs book of life have already been written there before they ever actually existed? (Rev 17:8)

Second question would relate to the possible answer of the first, which is how does one get written in teh Lamb's book of life if they have not already been written there prior to existing?

 

Hi H.P.,

You are right, you are wrong (being facetious, my friend).

It isn't that we believe we are "positionally free from sin."

It is this: We are "positionally free from the penalty of sin."

Big difference.

What you imply is that we believe we have license to sin...no born-again believer holds to this position, it is impossible to think that way by virtue of the indwelling of Christ.

Yet you repeatedly make this accusation, because it is critical to your theology.

We are being conformed to the Image of Christ, not automatically changed into sinless men and women.

It is work, and we do so with fear and trembling.

If being sinless were automatic, then Paul (and John) would not have spoken of differing levels of maturity in Christ.

Concerning the Book of Life, I agree with Steaver (though I have not read every post).

At the great white throne judgement, those who are unbelievers will be blooted out (because they are in there).

In Psalm 69-



18Draw nigh unto my soul, and redeem it: deliver me because of mine enemies.

19Thou hast known my reproach, and my shame, and my dishonour: mine adversaries are all before thee.

20Reproach hath broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness: and I looked for some to take pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none.

21They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

22Let their table become a snare before them: and that which should have been for their welfare, let it become a trap.

23Let their eyes be darkened, that they see not; and make their loins continually to shake.

24Pour out thine indignation upon them, and let thy wrathful anger take hold of them.

25Let their habitation be desolate; and let none dwell in their tents.

26For they persecute him whom thou hast smitten; and they talk to the grief of those whom thou hast wounded.

27Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness.

28Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous

It is David's (and Christ's, prophetically speaking) enemies who are blotted out.

Anyway, I know you will not be convinced, but this is an interesting study.

Hope all is well with you and yours, and look forward to your return.

God bless.

 

Hellooooooooo HP,

This is your thread, try to keep up! :thumbs:

 

Revelation 20:10-15 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I am sure that the only ones present here will be the unsaved. The judgment of the saved already took place a thousand years earlier at the judgment seat of Christ. The first six verses also verify the same thing.

Revelation 20:5-6 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
--The first resurrection already took place a thousand year previous to this. It was the resurrection of the righteous. They have already been judged (not for their salvation), but for their works that they have laid up in store for treasure in heaven. Read 1Cor. 3:11-15.

Rev.20:10-15 speak of the unsaved only, as verse 10 starts the scene with the devil, the beast and the false prophet--certainly not typical of one of your righteous believers.

What happens in verse 20 will surely happen in verse 15. It is a foregone conclusion that all the unsaved will not have their names written in the book of life. Notice it doesn't say "they will be removed." It says "they are not found." They were never written there in the first place. Before the foundation of the world God knew those who would reject him. They were never written in the Book of Life. They were not found there. This is the final sentence before they are cast into the Lake of Fire. They already know their fate.

It is not unlike Paul's situation. He already knew his situation. He was condemned to death. At his first appearing no man stood with him. But this time he knew he would face certain death. There would be no pardon. Appearing before Caesar was just a formality. He would receive an "official" sentence, and then be beheaded. He knew what his fate was.
The same is here. The unsaved know what their fate is. This is their official sentence. It is the last time they will appear before the Lord God Almighty. Now they will be cast into the Lake of Fire and, as it says in verse 10, be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Knowing that, it should make us the most powerful evangelists on earth.

 

I know beyond any shadow of a doubt that I won't be there.
I have perfect peace about that fact.

The dead refers to spiritually dead, those that are separated from God for all eternity. Whether small (insignificant) or great (prominent) in this world, it won't make a difference when they stand before God. All are equal. All will not have their names found in the Book of Life.
I know my name is written in the Book of Life. It will always be there. It cannot be removed.