To Preserve the Union

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  1. Salty

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    Lincoln said he fought the South to preserve the Union.

    If that is true - they why did the Southern States/Commonwealths have to re-apply for Statehood?

    From a Biblical mode - think of the prodical son - when he returned he was accepted without question.

    But the South had to go thur all kinds hoops for re-admittance.

    To me, there should have been no need.

    In addition - W. VA, should have been re-united with VA
    (remember Succession was considered un-consitutational by the Union)
     
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    The South knew most Yankees are born liars.

    That is why they put their trust in local and state governments and desperately tried to restrict the powers of the Federal to that which the states could unite - the Constitution.

    The contentiousness over the Constitution proves how the Yankees wanted to usurp control over the South, wanted to control what was not theirs to control.

    In the years following the formation of the Constitution when the Yankees began to assault the South, first by law and then by armed force, the South was put into a position that they had no other honorable option than to withdraw from the Union.

    The Yankees had and do continue to violate what was supposedly that unifying document. That is why the Yankee court systems are so out of step with the desires and needs of the south.

    It wasn't Southern courts that removed prayer, Bible reading, and freedom of access from the public schools.

    It wasn't the Southern courts that allowed abortion rights to go unchecked.

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    Lincoln committed no less than nine violations of the Constitution of the United States in his actions against the South.
    • An argument can be made that he engaged in coercion by attempting to get the South to fight, or surrender. It is a violation of Article 4 of the U.S. Constitution.
    • The Trent Affair was a violation of the international laws of neutrality, which in turn was a violation of Article 6, Clause 2, of the Constitution.
    • He suspended the Writ of Habeas Corpus, a violation of Article 1, Section 9, Clause 2 of the Constitution.
    • He declared war against a sovereign nation, the CSA, without the consent of Congress in 1861, which is a violation of Article 1, Section 8, Clauses 11 and 12. Regardless of whether the CSA was ever formally recognized by other international powers, the CSA did no more than the rebellious government of the colonies did in 1776 in describing itself as "sovereign."
    • He made West Virginia a state in violation of Article 4, Section 3, Clause 1.
    • He denied the freedom of speech -- First Amendment -- in the Valandeham Imprisonment.
    • He blockaded ports of the CSA withou authorization of Congress, using the illegal argument that those states that were held by the Federal government to still be in the Union.
    • In another First Amendment violation, he shut down newspapers that spoke in disagreement with him regarding his actions against the CSA.
    • He violated the Fugitive slave law, which was violation of Article 4, Section 2, Clause 3.
     
  4. OldRegular

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    The Republicans in the Congress hated the South then just like the democrats do now!
     
  5. ktn4eg

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    Although this post is a little bit off topic (Sorry Sgt. Salty! :smilewinkgrin:), there was a constitution in North America that had two provisions in it that many people of varying political persuasions would like to see take place.

    1. This constitution provided for a president who was term-limited to only one term of six years.

    2. This constitution also provided for term limits for both its house of representatives and its senate: Twelve years max for each member of its house of representatives (i.e., that representative could only serve six two-year terms) and each senator could only serve two six-year terms. IOW, every twelve years there would be an entirely different congress.

    Guess which North American constitution had those provisions?



























    (HINT: It was NOT the Constitution of the United States of America.)
     
  6. Salty

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    No problem K-man ! (K is for K-Town!)

    I think I know which consitituion you are talking about.
     

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