Top US Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag

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    Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations Steve R. Pieczenik says he is prepared to tell a federal grand jury the name of a top general who told him directly 9/11 was a false flag attack.

    Back in April 2002, over nine years ago, Pieczenik told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months,” and that the government was waiting for the most politically expedient time to roll out his corpse. Pieczenik would be in a position to know, having personally met Bin Laden and worked with him during the proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the early 80′s.

    Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.

    Marfan syndrome is a degenerative genetic disease for which there is no permanent cure. The illness severely shortens the life span of the sufferer.

    “He died of marfan syndrome, Bush junior knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it,” said Pieczenik, noting how CIA physicians had visited Bin Laden in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai.

    “He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex.

    “Did the intelligence community or the CIA doctor up this situation, the answer is yes, categorically yes,” said Pieczenik, referring to Sunday’s claim that Bin Laden was killed at his compound in Pakistan, adding, “This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen and they look as if they’re intense, that’s nonsense,” referring to the images released by the White House which claim to show Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton watching the operation to kill Bin Laden live on a television screen.

    “It’s a total make-up, make believe, we’re in an American theater of the absurd….why are we doing this again….nine years ago this man was already dead….why does the government repeatedly have to lie to the American people,” asked Pieczenik.

    “Osama Bin Laden was totally dead, so there’s no way they could have attacked or confronted or killed Osama Bin laden,” said Pieczenik, joking that the only way it could have happened was if special forces had attacked a mortuary.

    Pieczenik said that the decision to launch the hoax now was made because Obama had reached a low with plummeting approval ratings and the fact that the birther issue was blowing up in his face.
    “He had to prove that he was more than American….he had to be aggressive,” said Pieczenik, adding that the farce was also a way of isolating Pakistan as a retaliation for intense opposition to the Predator drone program, which has killed hundreds of Pakistanis.

    “This is orchestrated, I mean when you have people sitting around and watching a sitcom, basically the operations center of the White House, and you have a president coming out almost zombie-like telling you they just killed Osama Bin Laden who was already dead nine years ago,” said Pieczenik, calling the episode, “the greatest falsehood I’ve ever heard, I mean it was absurd.”

    Dismissing the government’s account of the assassination of Bin Laden as a “sick joke” on the American people, Pieczenik said, “They are so desperate to make Obama viable, to negate the fact that he may not have been born here, any questions about his background, any irregularities about his background, to make him look assertive….to re-elect this president so the American public can be duped once again.”

    Pieczenik’s assertion that Bin Laden died almost ten years ago is echoed by numerous intelligence professionals as well as heads of state across the world.

    Bin Laden, “Was used in the same way that 9/11 was used to mobilize the emotions and feelings of the American people in order to go to a war that had to be justified through a narrative that Bush junior created and Cheney created about the world of terrorism,” stated Pieczenik.

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    I wonder what the Navy Seals have to say about this?
     
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    Intersting question Salty! What did Jessica Lynch's rescuers say?

    What ever happened to them anyway?

    Petty Officer First Class David M. Tapper. Killed in an ambush near the Pakistan border.

    Lance Cpl. Sok Khak Ung. Killed in a drive by shooting.

    Spc. Josh Daniel Speer killed in a car accident.

    Spc. Kyle Edward Williams committed suicide.

    Whatever the Navy Seals say they better get it right and stick by it!

    Speaking of Jessica Lynch's story, that one turned out to be a contrived hoax to play on American's emotions too. As she testified herself . . . "Rambo image was based on lie"

    And the contrived hoax about Pat Tillman was exposed in the same article and others as well of course.

    The government and media have a history of making up fairytales to play on our emotions to shore up sagging support for their questionable military interventions and gain our support for brand new ones. Why should this one be any different?

    And people still choose to believe these fairytales. Why? To feel all patriotic and self righteous I reckon.

    Why do you choose to believe in these fairytales Salty? Assuming that you do of course.

    You know I haven't heard what Henry Waxman is saying about this latest fabrication from "one of his own" have you? It would be very interesting to hear what he has to say on the subject.

    My guess would be "all hail Obama". I highly doubt he'd be the hard charging debunker he was when a republcan was in power. But I could be wrong.

    Hey, remember the "babies in incubators" story that helped seal Saddam's fate? This is a good one . . . CLICK HERE if you've forgotten about it! That's how fairytales are made folks.

    How many here swallowed that one hook line and sinker? Raise your hands don't be shy now. :smilewinkgrin:

    How many here still believe it?
     
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    Scene by scene the made for public consumption fable of Jessica Lynch went like this.


    Witnesses told us that the special forces knew that the Iraqi military had fled a day before they swooped on the hospital.

    "We were surprised. Why do this? There was no military, there were no soldiers in the hospital," said Dr Anmar Uday, who worked at the hospital. "It was like a Hollywood film. They cried 'go, go, go', with guns and blanks without bullets, blanks and the sound of explosions. They made a show for the American attack on the hospital - action movies like Sylvester Stallone or Jackie Chan."

    When footage of the rescue was released, General Vincent Brooks, US spokesman in Doha, said:

    "Some brave souls put their lives on the line to make this happen, loyal to a creed that they know that they'll never leave a fallen comrade."

    The American strategy was to ensure the right television footage by using embedded reporters and images from their own cameras, editing the film themselves.

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    And the Pat Tillman fable? CLICK HERE

    "You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." President George W. Bush

    Lest we forget . . .

    A highly revealing ABC news article describes plans for government-sponsored terrorism: "In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba." The article goes on to reveal that the plans, code-named Operation Northwoods, were approved in writing by the top US military chiefs. They even proposed that the US military secretly blow up an American ship and hijack US planes as a false pretext for war. For the entire shocking article: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662.

    SOURCE

    So, how far do you think our government will go to get us engaged in a war and how far will it go to keep us engaged once the killing starts? Will it tell lies and kill innocent people? Will it fabricate fairytales and kill off long dead terrorists? And what about the mass corporate media? Will it inform us when our government is lying to us or will it as in the case of the "incubator babies" just take the word of who ever is spinning the tale without question and run with it for all it's worth?
     
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    While I don't completely trust the US media or our politicians, I'm not going to swallow a crock of gunk from Alex Jones. Maybe if you could come up with a better source, it would actually be believable.

    No matter what the government does or doesn't do, our troops deserve the HIGHEST praise for putting their lives on the line for others. They do NOT deserve the accusations your source is spewing.
     
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    Poncho, why do you not trust the U.S. government, yet you do trust a "government insider?"
     
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    Hoo boy -- this answer is gonna be GOOD!!:eek::rolleyes::D:1_grouphug:
     
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    Neil Armstrong admitted to me the other day that the moon landings were filmed in the Nevada desert. He told me this over a couple of beers served to us by Elvis which were cleared away when empty by Jim Morrison.
     
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    Was that at a tavern in Bohemian Grove?
     
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    Also scheduled to testify: Jimmy Hoffa, Elvis, the Loch Ness Monster, and Aquaman.

    Sources close to the story tell us that they are also prepared to reveal the true location of the Holy Grail, lost by Indiana Jones and Sean Connery a few years back.
     
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    Santa Claus was taking his sleigh on a test ride and he saw everything that really happened.
     
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    Yeah, but not the real deal - just at the Spring Jinks; you know, the one before youre allowed to meet The Lizards.
     
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    Only those with degrees in urban legend can decide what is urban legend and what is Truth.:laugh:

    According to the official documents, John Wilkes Booth, reportedly the assassin of President Lincoln, was buried rather hastily after his demise at the hands of the Union Army. Some say the corpse was not John W. Booth. Does this mean U.S. Grant may not be in Grant's tomb?

    Reality check: This world, and everything in it is a conspiracy--of Satan.


    Hey folks, over 500 witnesses saw Jesus alive after being dead. Most of the world does not believe--or at least do not act as if they believe.

    There is only one way, one truth, one life; and we crucified Him. His tomb is empty--believe it or not.

    Shalom,

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    Perhaps you didn't notice. There are several sources.

    Maybe if you could remember something beyond the last news cycle you'd see there is an insurmountable mountain of evidence against the "official story" of 9/11 and Osama Bin Laden.

    If this weren't true then you and your little friends here wouldn't have to act like a bunch of giggling school girls mocking me. You'd enter into a debate and address the evidence I present as adults instead.

    You would have what is known in the real world of debate as counter points.

    The above Georing style diatribe shows just how little respect you actually have for our troops. If you had 1 10th the respect for them you evidently pride yourself in having you'd be upset about them being used by this government as tools of propaganda. (see the Jessica Lynch story, the real one not the fable wrapped in falsified patriotism.)

    You seem very upset with me because I believe that above all else they deserve to know the truth about who and what they are actually serving and what their real agenda is.

    Apparently you don't.
     
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    What gives you the idea I trust him, Robert? Did you not read his bio? He's a member of the CFR. Have I not made my distrust of this globalist organization clear enough?

    I find his story credible because there is an abundance of verifiable evidence that supports it.
     
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    Sorry if my answer to Robert's question disappointed you.
     
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    None of you seem upset that our own government planned to attack and possibly kill innocent Americans to start a war with another country. Or use our troops as instruments of propaganda against their own countrymen.

    At this point I have to seriously question your patriotism and loyalty to this country. I do not believe any of you who responded negatively to the evidence of misconduct by this government and some of our highest ranking military leaders and the obvious misuse and mistreatment of our troops at the hands the same have any genuine concern for these men and women at all.

    I find your patriotism to be misguided and your concern for our troops to be self serving cheapening them and their efforts by using them as a tool in your attempts to degrade and demonize another person just because you may disagree with them.

    Shameful behavior from anyone but most especially from those professing to be Christians.

    Note to Mods. Sorry for so many posts in a row but I felt the need to reply to each of these individuals seperately and then as a whole.
     
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    Excuse me, but I have MANY family members and friends serving in the military. One of these WAS THERE AND HELPED RESCUE JESSICA LYNCH. Perhaps you don't know that I live in WV and we have more troops per capita than any other state in the USA. So, yeah, I'll take his word any day over that of a right-wing conspiracy nut like Alex Jones or his panic-driven cronies, and I don't appreciate people basically calling our troops LIARS about such.

    I never said I completely agreed with the news media about OBL. In fact, I
    have thought he was dead for a while now. I wasn't there to see what the SEALS did or didn't do, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. If they did get him, they deserve to be praised for it.
     
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    What is shameful is when Christians speak ill of government and want to revolt against it, when GOD is the one who has ordained the rulers over us. We are to pray for those in power.

    No, I don't like Obama. I don't like the direction the US is headed, and I don't like the war and what it is doing to the families of our troops. But as a Christian my job is not to fight the government, it's to WIN SOULS for Christ. When fighting the powers in authority over us becomes our focus instead of our spiritual command to win souls, we become distracted from our TRUE calling as Christians.
     
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    Hey Matt would do me a small favor? I'm on InTheDark's ignore list. Would you be so kind as to ask him why he's here making rude statements in one of my threads after he's blocked all my replies from his sight?

    It's my personal opinion that only a two faced coward would do something that low.

    Thanks Matt. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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