Trump tests his limits

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  1. Crabtownboy

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    In a campaign in which Donald Trump has ignored advice and precedent, turned conventional wisdom on its head and flouted the basic bylaws of politics and societal norms, he may be proving that at least one thing remains sacrosanct: the sacrifices of those who have died for this country.

    More than any of his controversies to date, Trump’s feud with the parents of a deceased soldier has undermined his status within his own party. Beyond ceding the moral high ground, Trump is threatening his own standing with the flag-waving pro-military voters who’ve long been a solidly Republican bloc. And Trump’s newest feud plays right into Democratic hands. His willingness to attack a family that has sacrificed so much for the country gives greater definition to the argument articulated by Hillary Clinton and Democrats last week: that he is temperamentally unfit to be president, and that there is something wholly unAmerican about his candidacy and vision for the country.




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    The speech that Mr. Khan gave was purely political, in spite of his son's sacrifice. He criticized Trump for his proposal to build a wall on the Mexican border, and to temporarily ban foreign Muslims from entering into the U.S. and said that it was un-Constitutional - "Let me ask you: Have you even read the United States Constitution? I will gladly lend you my copy. In this document, look for the words 'liberty' and 'equal protection of law.'"

    Of course there is nothing un-Constitutional about enforcing borders, or building barriers.

    There is nothing un-Constitutional about denying visas to citizens from certain countries. Carter did it in 1980, and it was perfectly legal.

    Mr Khan was using his son's sacrifice to argue political points, and to advocate for open borders.
     
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    CTB's 3rd thread on this "subject".

    Dear Mr. Khan,

    I want to preface this letter by stating that I respect your son’s sacrifice for this great nation. By all accounts, he is a true hero that sacrificed himself in service to our country. For that I am thankful.

    As a veteran, I watched your comments at the Democratic National Convention with a mixture of sadness, and anger. The United States has a military comprised of volunteers. Every single member has made the conscious choice to join the military and serve. There is not a single service member who has been forced into service. It is important for all service members (and apparently, their families) to understand that service to this great nation does not imbue one with special privileges or rights. I found your comments troubling when you said: “Have you ever been to Arlington cemetery? Go look at the graves of brave patriots who died defending the United States of America. You will see all faiths, genders and ethnicities. You have sacrificed nothing and no one.”

    Does it matter whether Mr. Trump has sacrificed “…nothing and no one?”…has Ms. Clinton “..sacrificed” for this nation? How about Mr. Obama? Your comment stating that Mr. Trump “…has sacrifice no one” is alarming. Are you intimating that YOU sacrificed? Sir, your son willingly sacrificed himself. As a father I cannot imagine the pain you must feel but his sacrifice is his own. He was not forced to serve.

    I am troubled that you would allow a party that has little more than contempt for the US Service Member to parade you into the DNC to denounce Donald Trump. Did you watch when protesters at the DNC booed and heckled Medal of Honor recipient Capt. Florent Groberg? Did you notice your party interrupting the moment of silence for slain police officers? Your own hypocrisy in not denouncing these acts and instead using the DNC as a platform to make a political point is disgraceful. The simple fact is that whether one served or sacrificed does not give greater power to their statements. One vote is as valuable as another. That sir, is why our Country is great. Your condemnation of one person for a statement while standing idly as your party disparages veterans and police officers is the height of hypocrisy.

    To conflate the need to prevent potential terrorists from entering our country with the belief that ‘all Muslims’ should be banned is simply wrong and disingenuous. As a reminder, Mr. Trump said: ” “Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life,” The irony of your son’s own death at the hands of these very people in Iraq should not be ignored. I have little doubt that your son would have recognized the need to protect our country from these very people. In fact, he held is own troops back so that he could check on a suspicious car. Your son understood sacrifice and how to protect “his people”…’his soldiers’….’his fellow Americans’…

    As you continue to make the media circuit and bask in the glow of affection cast upon you by a party that has little regard for your son’s own sacrifice, and veterans in general, I would ask you to consider your comments and your position more closely.

    Respectfully,

    Chris Mark

    US Marine and Navy Veteran.
     
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    Again, completely off the topic of the thread. Trump has sow to the wind and is reaping the whirlwind as is shown in Hosea 8:7

     
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    Please do not ever say you support all our military and their families.
     
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    I do support the US military. I have served and one of my children served. Please don't lecture me on that. Neither Hillary, Obama, or any of their families ever spent one day in uniform.
     
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    On the contrary, Mr Khan sowed to the wind and now wants to be free of criticism. He attacked Mr Trump first. Trump had nothing to do with his son's death or the war in Iraq. On the other hand we know that Hillary spoke for years about the need for regime change in Iraq.

    Mr Khan turned his speech into open borders advocacy.
     
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    Giving another American's view concerning the DNC lead media frenzied ploys to abuse the death of a fallen hero, which you engage in, is off topic?!? I don't think so...
     

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