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  1. Michael Wrenn

    Michael Wrenn New Member

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    Why did He first appear to women after the Resurrection? Why were women in His inner circle, against all cultural norms of the day? Why did He commission women to be the first to teach men the fact of the Resurrection?

    Paul refers to Junia, a woman, as an apostle.
     
  2. Michael Wrenn

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    No, you have done the opposite, as the article clearly demonstrates.
     
  3. Arbo

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    Who is it that is intentionally doing the misguiding? Paul?
     
  4. annsni

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    Does appearing to women mean that they are pastors?????? I don't quite catch the connection. I also don't think that going and saying "Jesus is alive" is really "teaching", do you??

    I didn't know that an apostle was a pastor. But I also see that Junia was of note among the apostles, not that she was one.
     
  5. Michael Wrenn

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    I'm sorry if I offended you earlier.

    I have to take a break now.
     
  6. DaChaser1

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    think that all current 'Evangelical" scholarship is attempting to do is to rewrite the biblical to make it accomodate cultural norms held today. as have noticed that both women being ordained and alternate lifestyles seem to be creeping in through those using the "new" way to interprete the biblical norms!
     
  7. annsni

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    Thank you for your apology - it is accepted. :)

    But I disagree that giving a statement of a fact is teaching. Jesus had already taught about His resurrection - the women just told them that it had occurred.
     
  8. jaigner

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    Following the work of such noted scholars as N.T. Wright and a whole host of others is not exactly blind following. We are to follow the Bible, and to better do so, we greatly benefit from the good work other scholars have done.
     
  9. Alive in Christ

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    Women not in leadership? Not according to the scriptures...




    http://www.gospelassemblyfree.com/facts/women.htm
     
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    I can't think of a better scholar than Paul...and he disagreed with N.T Wright on this.
     
  11. mandym

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    None of which support female pastors.

    How is this relevant?

    Irrelevant.

    So is my wife, and she is not the leader in my home or in my church.
    No obscuring taking place, just defining the word based on the context. One can minister as a servant, no mistranslating taking place.

    Non sequitur. Being a servant not in leadership in no way is a "downgrade in status".

    You beg the question by assuming Junias / Junia is a woman. At any rate an apostle is not a pastor, as Paul is proof of this.
     
  13. jaigner

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    Nope. I think both Paul and N.T. Wright would agree that Paul told a church in a very specific 1st-century context that women shouldn't be teaching in that place. I think they would both agree that it is permissible in our contemporary situation.
     
  14. jaigner

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    Junia was absolutely a woman. That name was common, but there is no record of a "Junias."
     
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    Like I said, still irrelevant as an apostle is not a pastor.
     
  16. webdog

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    Hardly. Given Paul's comparison of being able to manage one's household well (v.12) and the separate command to the women (v. 11) coupled with Paul's words to the Corinthians regarding roles of women and men and his letter to the Ephesians (chapter 5) regarding man's leadership role in the home is clear that his view is contradictory to Wright's and has nothing to do with the limited scope you are assigning it.
     
  17. mandym

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    Of course to hold to the women pastors view all this must be ignored.
     
  18. Alive in Christ

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    Well.

    In response to scriptural evidence, we find...

    divert, ignore, change the topic.

    divert, ignore, change the topic

    divert, ignore, change the topic.


    As for me, I am going to stick with the scriptual evidence

    Keeping women "in their place" is nothing short of a crying shame.
     
  19. webdog

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    Or...answer your "scriptural evidence" (proof texts) one by one, then be accused of "divert, ignore, change the topic" while ignoring the counter Scripture given. Seriously, people reading his site have eyes and can see what a false accusation this is
     
  20. jaigner

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    You're doing the same thing.
     
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