Featured Two baptisms: Which is which?

Yes it is. The two cannot be separated.
Here's why:
The United Pentecostal's belief is this:
Salvation is acquired through baptism and the baptism of the Holy Spirit which is evidenced by speaking in tongues. They don't actually believe that the tongues in and of itself is a requirement of salvation, but if you don't speak in tongues they know you are not saved because it is the automatic result of being baptized in the Spirit.
Because they are so closely connected in the Charismatic movement it is appropriate to talk about tongues in the same context as the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

 

Read Tom Butler's response in another thread here:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1970033&postcount=133

 

No they are not the same.

The apostles were baptized by John and Jesus accepted that.
They were told to tarry at Jerusalem until the Holy Spirit came, which they did.
The Book of Acts is a book of transition, a book of history. It is a book of the beginning of the Church Age and the beginning of many churches. Doctrine is not based on the book of Acts but rather in the epistles.

 

Read the gospels to understand the salvation of the apostles.
"Is this not the Messiah."
"Thou art the Messiah, the Son of the living God."
Read their testimonies of who Christ was and how they left all to follow him.

Then read the last part of Acts 18 concerning Apollos. And then read that first portion of Acts 19. They are both connected. Those who followed John did not follow Jesus. They followed John. They didn't understand the message of Jesus. The followed the message of John's message of repentance and baptism of repentance, but that was not the message of Jesus, which was the gospel of the Kingdom of God.
They were "OT saints" so to speak.
Once they fully understood they believed and were baptized. Being Jews they received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues. Remember that speaking in tongues is a sign to the Jews. It is also a sign for the apostles. That gift completed its purpose in both ways on that day.

 

again, a sinner does not ask for the gift of the HS, he receives the gift of eternal life found in jesus Christ!
that included the coming of the HS to indwell and seal us!

and again, NO scriptures say 'seek the Baptism of the HG, ask for that gift!"

And we have ALL been baptized by the HS when saved into body of Christ, and there are NO signs needed like a tongue to evidence that!

 

saying the one Baptism that we are commanded to do is the water one, as the Baptism in the HS happens at the moment are born again!

 

disregard starting new thread!

 

The water baptism is what we as Chrsitians are to do, the HS does the other at salvation, so no need for us to seek or do it!

 

No, you do not. You ignore scripture in its context. You follow and hold to the doctrine of Charles Parham and William J. Seymour. HS baptism is not separate from conversion, and tongues is not the evidence of it. This doctrine was unknown until 113 years ago.

 

the spiritual "father" of all this junk was a E.W. Kenyon, as he was the one that hagin, copeland etc all look to for their theologies!

he taught a type of Charasmatic Chrsitian Science!

 

And to think you were once in a Pentecostal church (and were prophesying?) !!!
What an incredible travesty ... and a statement of the deplorable condition of the church !!!
That's all I have to say for this week.
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Awaken has not provoded it for me, so can you produce just ONE verse that tells us to seek the baptism in the HS, to seek after a "further blessing" after getting saved?

 

the bible states that when we get jesus, we get all spiritual blessings, that includes the HS indwelling us, so does God grant 1/2 of the Spirit to the"saved" and the full amt to the baptized ones?