Types Of Believers

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  1. Ztheberean

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    A true believer has (asked God to take them ) through the process of laying the foundation of repentance from their dead works (old sinful nature) so that God could give them permission to go on unto perfection. (or the born again experience) (Heb 6:1&3) These believers have learned to ask God to take them through this process from the messenger that God Himself has sent unto them to patiently instruct them so that God may grant them repentance unto the knowledge of this truth (2Tim 2:24-26) This is why God tells us that there are vessels of honor, AND dishonor in the church, the vessels of dishonor need to have their sins (unto death) purged out from them by God, so that they might become sanctified vessels of honor because they have been prepared by God, for His use. (2Tim 2:20)

    This is why we need to ask God to create Christ in us, so that we could DO the good that we were ordained to do from the beginning, so that we could not boast in ourselves (doing) because it is a GIFT from God (Eph 2:10-8); And this “gift” of God needs to be asked for (Jn 4:10); Dishonorable vessels go around telling everyone that they are "sinners" , It is these believers who call themselves “sinners” that need to be called to repentance (by the faithful brethren, or saints) because of God's mercy, so that they would no longer be sick. (Matt 9:13-12)

    These believers (who call themselves sinners) are making Jesus the “minister of sin” which God has FORBIDDEN Him to be, and this is all because they have NOT asked God to crucify them with Christ, so it would no longer be “THEM” living, (for self) but CHRIST living in them, (for others) and the life they now live, is by the faith OF the Son of God (not their faith) so these believers (who have gone through this crucifying process) cannot frustrate the grace of God (Gal 2:17 & 20)

    We are not saved by “OUR” faith, but by the faith OF CHRIST (Gal 2:20);This is why we need to “learn how” to come from (OUR) faith (which is spoken of throughout the world, Rom 1:8) to (CHRIST’S) faith (which is spoken of only by FEW, Mk 9:37, Lk 10:2, 1Cor 4:15). (Rom 1:17)

    If all believers were Christian, then Jesus would NOT say to MANY, Depart from me, I NEVER knew you, you worker of iniquity.” These believers called Jesus Lord, and did many wonderful works in His name, but were NOT Christian. (Matt 7:21-23) In order to be blessed by Jesus, so that He will not say to us, you worker of iniquity, Depart from Me, we need to ask God to send Jesus to bless us by turning us away from our iniquities. (Acts 3:26) I hope you can now see that so far there are “2" different categories of believers which are the “Christian” or “Saint” and then the “Sinner” who is carnal. Now we have another group called the “Faithful”, which Paul calls these in Eph 1:1, and Col 1:2 (KJV)

    These faithful brethren are continuing in the apostles doctrine (of grace) within the same mind. (Acts 2:42, 46) These have been sent a meek, and patient teacher to instruct them because they are opposing themselves (or their better interests) that God may grant them repentance, so that they could acknowledge this truth, and be recovered from doing the devils will (their own will, way, and work) unto doing (God’s will, way, and work). (2Tim 2:24-26 Col 1:7, 4:7, 1Thess 3:2, Rom 10:15, 1Cor 4:17, Acts 3:22-23, 8:30-31, Eph 6:21, 2Cor 8:18,22)

    We then go on to the parable of the sower in which those on the “Wayside” ground hear the word, but then the devil comes in and takes the word which has been sown, (not just the gospel) this is the “devilish believer”, then we have the “Stony” grounder which receives the word with joy, but when persecution comes for the words sake, they are “offended”, this is the “Carnal believer”, then we have the “Thorny” grounder which receives the word of God, but the cares, pleasures, and riches of this world choke out the word from them and they are unfruitful, this is the “sensual believer”.(Jm 3:15-13, Rom 13:13, 1Cor 3:3, Gal 5:19-21)

    Those who are on the “Good” ground are those who hear the word of God, and have (this) understanding, (because their heart has been made honest, and good, by God, see Lk 8:15) and these can bring forth fruit with patience. (Mat 13:23, Lk 8:15, Mk 4:20) All believers start on either the “wayside”, “stony”, or “thorny” ground, but these have to go on to become on the good ground, for salvation. This is why God Himself sends a faithful minister unto us so that through his meek and patient instruction, God might grant repentance so that we could acknowledge the truth in such a way that we could be recovered from doing the devil’s will (“our will, way, and work”) rather than (God’s will, way, and work). (2Tim 2:24-26)

    Those that ARE Christ’s (Christian) HAVE (already) crucified their lusts, and affections of their Flesh.
    (Gal 5:24)

    It’s all about asking God to help us “mortify” our old sinful nature FIRST, so that we can ask God to “put on” the new nature, because it has been renewed in (this) knowledge, and God helps these (askers) to add mercy, kindness, humility, longsuffering, forbearance, forgiveness, and most of all love, which is perfection. (Col 3:5-14) (KJV) Most believers are trying in and of their “own” selves to “put on the new man”, without asking God to first help them “put off the old man”. No one can put “new wine” (the new nature) into the “old wine” (our old nature) or else the bottles break, and perish. The new nature can only be put on the “new man” so that they can be preserved.(rather than perish) (Mat 9:17, Mk 2:22, Lk 5:37-38).

    This is why the teaching of grace enables us to “Learn How” to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, so that we can become obedient from our hearts (Titus 2:12, Rom 6:17) Let us ASK God to help us “examine ourselves” and to show us “ where we are in error” so that we can “prove” where we are, (using the scriptures, not our beliefs, or opinions) so that we can ask correctly of God to bring us where we need to be, because He first gives us a willingness, and then causes us to perform His good things, for His good pleasure. (Phil 2:13)

    I pray that those who read this will strongly CONSIDER and study these things, asking God to help, so that He may give understanding, (2Tim 2:7); because without us asking God to opening up our understanding of the scriptures, we can’t understand the scriptures, and be converted, (God granting us repentance) unto being healed. (Becoming Christian) (No matter what we believe) (Lk 24:45, Acts 28:27, Jn 12:40, Math 13:15)

    Christians need to minister to those believers who put relationship before fellowship, (because relationships cause conflicts) but true fellowship has believers become united in the word of God. (Acts 2:42 & 46) Believers who want to remain ignorant of these spiritual truths, let them remain ignorant, because God is a God of order, However, this is not for salvation (by remaining ignorant of these things) but rather for decency, and order. (1 Cor 14:38 & 40)
    In Jesus name, Amen.
     
  2. BobRyan

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    I find it interesting that your signature quotes Titus.

    How about taking a look at Paul's instruction to Titus in chapter 1?
     
  3. Ztheberean

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    Yes, it Quotes both Titus and Romans to make the point of the form of doctrine that is learned (which is grace) so that we can become obedient from our hearts.
    However, these qoutes, used as my signature have to do with those who are on the "good ground" for salvation.

    Can you be specific about your question so that I can give you a sound answer?
     
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    Titus 1
    13 This testimony is true.
    For this reason reprove them severely so that they may be sound in the faith,
    14 not paying attention to Jewish myths and commandments of men[/b] who turn away from the truth.
     
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    What does this scripture have to do with the theme of this doctrinal study on the "Tpes of Believers"???
    If you would like to stay on this theme, I am more than happy. However it seems you are going somewhere else with this subject at hand.
     
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    the point is that Paul's instruction to Titus in Titus 1 and Paul's instruction to Timothy in 1Tim 1 has to do with confronting error in the church as opposed to a "fellowship over doctrinal accuracy" approach to the problem that I find in the OP
     

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