U.S. Aid Helps N. Korea Build Nukes

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  1. carpro

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    http://www.cnsnews.com/Pentagon/Archive/1998-2000/DEF20000417a.html

    U.S. Aid Helps N. Korea Build Nukes, Congress Told

    By Lawrence Morahan
    CNS Staff Writer
    17 April, 2000

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    (CNSNews.com) - North Korea's nuclear production capacity will increase from a dozen nuclear bombs a year to 65 a year by 2010, thanks in large part to American taxpayer money, two renowned U.S. nuclear scientists told congressional leaders last week.

    North Korea observers have long suspected the communist dictatorship is using Western humanitarian aid to starving North Koreans to feed Kim Jong Il's million-man army.

    But an aid policy initiated by the Clinton administration in the mid-1990s to finance two light water nuclear reactors in North Korea puts the isolated communist country on the fast track in the manufacture of nuclear weapons, William R. Graham and Victor Gilinsky told members of the House Policy Committee.

    North Korea's missile proliferation has accelerated dramatically since the Clinton-Gore administration began giving aid to the regime in 1994.
     
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    That is SUCH OLD NEWS - SURELY OLD NEWS CANNOT BE GOOD NEWS . . .

    Norman,

    Do you really think that I could hold Clinton accountable?

    Isn't this all just a neocon cover up by Bush? Didn't he use his oil money to force Kim to build a nuke? Didn't he threaten Kim with nuclear war? Didn't he give the N Koreans the nuclear technology?

    Please don't tell me that such a good man that was never distracted from doing the best job of any president ever knowingly gave the enemy nuclear capability so that they could sell it to terrorists?

    That would ruin my image of that great man . . . I might have to tear down the shrine I built for him . . .

    :wavey:

    People told me that I was crazy when I said that Kim would build nukes using that technology . . . Their reply, "the president ASSURES us that this technology CANNOT be used for building nukes . . ."

    :BangHead: I HATE IT WHEN I AM RIGHT.

    Wayne



     
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    Further proof that appeasement does not work.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/Archive/200202/POL20020215d.html

    Congressmen Want Bush to End US Nuke Deal With North Korea
    By Jim Burns
    CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
    February 15, 2002

    (CNSNews.com) - Three members of Congress are urging the Bush White House to cancel plans that were developed during the Clinton administration to supply North Korea with nuclear technology.

    House Republican Policy Committee Chairman Chris Cox (R-Calif.) says a study conducted by his panel in 2000 found that under the Clinton-Gore administration, North Korea became the "largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid in the Asia-Pacific region."

    "In an astonishing reversal of nine previous U.S. administrations, the Clinton-Gore administration, in 1994, committed not only to provide foreign aid for North Korea, but to earmark that aid primarily for the construction of nuclear reactors worth up to $6 billion," the study said.
     
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    Again, according to Carpro, it's Clinton's fault!:laugh:
     
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    Althought I don't always agree with Carpro, I don't see how he said this was Clinton's fault.

    The article stated there were wanting to cut a program that was started during the Clinton years.


    Jamie
     
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    That program built a nuke . . . and now the highest bidders can get one off of the shelf . . .

    Wonder how much they will charge us to promise that they won't sell them . . .

    Just like we had to pay them to promise that they wouldn't try and build one.
     
  7. carpro

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    News is news. Sometimes the truth is inconvenient to remember, but it is still there.

    I am not the subject of the stories.

    U.S policies in dealing with N. Korea is. Try that subject. It's a lot tougher to deal with than trying to insult the one that brings it up.


    If there is a factual error in either story, please be good enough to point it out.
     
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    This is old news. The two light water reactors were never built. There were delays initially after which the North Koreans backed out of the Agreed Framework.
     
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    Correct, but we still sent them millions and millions of dollars to help them fund their secret nuke program.
     
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    LINK

    This may be some good info, a Congressional Research Service report.
     
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    Here's some more good info:

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/indepth_coverage/military/proliferation/countries/n-korea.html



    Tracking Nuclear Proliferation

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    Even as the nations were debating implementation of the Agreed Framework, North Korea, the United States argues, was breaking the spirit, if not the letter, of the pact. Within months of signing the framework, North Korea and Pakistan reportedly cut a deal to trade missile technology for Pakistan's uranium enrichment techniques.

    For more than three years, the North Koreans worked quietly on their uranium project while urging the United States to fully implement the Agreed Framework. According to a Chinese government report that was leaked to a Japanese newspaper, the project included a secret uranium processing facility located inside Mount Chonma, near the Chinese border.

    The Clinton administration apparently learned of the secret program in late 1998 or early 1999, and by March 2000, President Clinton informed Congress he could no longer certify that "North Korea is not seeking to develop or acquire the capability to enrich uranium."

    Over the next two years, the United States continued to compile evidence on North Korea's uranium project. It was this evidence that prompted President Bush to label the Kim Jong Il government part of the "axis of evil" in his 2002 State of the Union address.
     
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    My question is if we knew that this was a mistake in 2000 what's been done about in the 6 1/2 years since then to prevent North Korea from getting to where it is today? About 6 of those years were under Bush's administration.
     
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    Two years to gather evidence of the failed Clinton policy,then..

    We were obedient to the wishes of liberals, multilateral talks.:BangHead:
     
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    Yeah Terry & he talks about us Bush Haters, right?

    :thumbs:
    Vera
     
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    The history is plainly there to see. I'm just reminding people what it is. That doesn't correct the situation today, but it does remind us how we got to where we are.

    No President's term stands alone. One is always left to deal with whatever the previous administration leaves behind. The results of Clinton's policies of appeasement are instructive. We ignore them at our peril.

    Now, put your head back in the sand.
     
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    Norman

    When they ain't got truth on their side, they attempt cheap humor . . . That kinda sounds like that new movie? Are they running for president or writing a cheap script?

    President Clinton empowered the N Korean government to build their nuclear program and HE ASSURED THE PEOPLE that they could not do so.

    The only option since has been a war against WMD . . . which, ironcially, is what took us into Iraq . . . The exact same demon is rearing its head again. Like a Hydra ya' gotta keep cutting off its head and watch two grow back in . . .

    Clinton did make mistakes, now we gotta live with those mistakes, Bush makes mistakes and no one wants to live with those mistakes . . . sounds like someone let's their likes and dislikes get in the way.
     
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    And look who made money from that sale:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.html

    [FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif] Randeep Ramesh
    Friday May 9, 2003
    The Guardian


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    [FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Donald Rumsfeld confused Iraq with Afghanistan yesterday. Photo: Reuters
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    Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, sat on the board of a company which three years ago sold two light water nuclear reactors to North Korea - a country he now regards as part of the "axis of evil" and which has been targeted for regime change by Washington because of its efforts to build nuclear weapons.


    Typical politics...follow the money and you'll find both parties with dirt on their hands.
     
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    NORTH KOREA TIMELINE:


    March 1999: U.S. Department of Energy intelligence report allegedly claims that North Korea is working on uranium enrichment techniques.

    January 2000: U.S. and South African intelligence claim Congo may be supplying North Korea with uranium.

    May 2001: North Korea threatens to pull out of the 1994 Agreed Framework, saying the U.S. has failed to live up to its obligations under the agreement.

    June 2001: International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) unable to verify that North Korea is not diverting nuclear material for military purposes, as North Korea has not provided the inspectors with sufficient access.

    March 2002: President George W. Bush does not certify North Korea's compliance with the Agreed Framework, but sends fuel oil to Pyongyang under a waiver.

    October 2002: U.S. claims that North Korea acknowledges a secret uranium enrichment program, prompted by U.S. intelligence indicating North Korea was trying to acquire large amounts of high-strength aluminum, useful in equipment to enrich uranium.

    U.S. intelligence reportedly concludes that Pakistan was a major supplier of critical equipment to North Korea's newly revealed enrichment program.

    November 2002: Korean Peninsula Energy Development Organization (KEDO) decides to suspend heavy fuel oil shipments to North Korea until North Korea takes steps to dismantle its nuclear program.

    U.S. tells Pakistan that inappropriate contact with North Korea will have consequences.

    December 2002: North Korea reportedly succeeds in purchasing from China 20 tons of tributyl phosphate (TBP), which is used to extract plutonium from spent reactor fuel.

    North Korea decides to lift the freeze on its nuclear facilities and orders IAEA inspectors to leave the country.

    IAEA announces North Korea moved 1,000 fresh nuclear fuel rods to a storage facility at the Yongbyon reactor site.

    President Bush identifies North Korea as a key threat to the U.S. and its allies in a National Security Directive on missile defense.

    January 2003: U.S. agrees to direct talks with North Korea to resolve questions about its nuclear program.

    North Korea announces it is pulling out of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treay (NPT) and rebuffs demands that it allow a return of U.N. inspectors.

    U.S. indicates it would consider energy aid to North Korea if it abandons its nuclear weapon program.

    North Korea pledges to South Korea not to produce nuclear weapons.

    U.S. spy satellites see trucks in North Korea that appear to be moving 8,000 spent fuel rods from storage.

    February 2003: North Korea announces it has restarted its nuclear facilities.

    IAEA declares North Korea in non-compliance with its inspection obligations and sends the issue to the U.N. Security Council.

    U.S. spy satellites show a steady stream of activity around North Korea's plutonium reprocessing plant. The activity indicates preparation to activate the facility.

    April 2003: U.S., Britain and France fail to induce the U.N. Security Council to criticize North Korea's pursuit of nuclear weapons, due to Russian and Chinese opposition.

    During three-way talks with China and the U.S., a North Korean official says North Korea has nuclear weapons, and that most of the 8,000 spent fuel rods have been reprocessed.

    U.S. rejects North Korea's proposal to end its nuclear weapon program only after receiving U.S. concessions.

    May 2003: North Korea nullifies a 1992 agreement with South Korea to keep the peninsula free of nuclear weapons.

    June 2003: After a visit to North Korea, Congressman Curt Weldon says North Korea admits having nuclear weapons and plans to build more.

    North Korea announces plans to build nuclear weapons in an attempt to decrease the size of its conventional military.

    The C.I.A. reportedly believes that North Korea is developing technology to make nuclear warheads small enough to fit on missiles.

    July 2003: IAEA declares North Korea "the most immediate and most serious threat to the nuclear nonproliferation regime."

    August 2003: First six-party talks with U.S., China, South Korea, Russia and Japan; North Korea reportedly announces that it intends to test a nuclear weapon.

    October 2003: New intelligence reportedly estimates that North Korea may have produced one, two, or more new nuclear weapons.

    U.S. reportedly says it will give a written guarantee, to be signed by the 6 nations involved in the negotiations, not to attack North Korea if it takes steps toward abandoning its nuclear weapon program.

    A German national is charged with exporting aluminum tubing for North Korea=s uranium enrichment program.

    November 2003: North Korea says it would give up its nuclear weapons, cease testing and exporting missiles, and submit to international inspections in exchange for a written security guarantee, economic compensation, and a promise by the U.S. not to hinder its economic development.

    December 2003: All work on the nuclear power project in North Korea, promised under the 1994 Agreed Framework, is suspended for one year.

    North Korea says it will freeze its nuclear facilities if the U.S. removes it from the U.S. list of terrorism-sponsoring countries, lifts sanctions and provides energy aid.

    North Korea reportedly rejects a U.S. proposal for verifiable and irrevocable dismantlement of North Korea's nuclear program in return for security assurances.

    February 2004: A.Q. Khan's confession reopens speculation that a 1998 Pakistani weapon test may have involved North Korea. American military jets sampled the air after the test and found traces of plutonium, but Pakistan says all its bombs are fueled with HEU.

    Second six-nation talks end inconclusively, with North Korea willing to dismantle its nuclear program on terms yet to be reached, provided it can retain a civilian nuclear program. North Korea continues to deny a uranium enrichment program.

    March 2004: A C.I.A. classified report is said to conclude that North Korea probably received from the A.Q. Khan nuclear network a comprehensive nuclear package, similar to that received by Libya, which included all the equipment and technology it needed to produce uranium-based nuclear weapons.
     
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    That article was so full of holes that I would not want to believe any of it. IMHO.
     
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    Carpro

    Go back just a little bit further and Kim gets real fun . . . He was organized the terrorist attack to kill all of those S Korean politicians . . . He organized all of the special forces troops that get killed each year trying to penetrate S Korean security . . .

    He was the one that was building nukes before Clinton approved the nuclear equipment exchange . . .

    Kim was the one that promised to STOP being a bad person.
     

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