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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Bro. Curtis, Aug 17, 2011.
What is our responsibility to them ? As individuals, then, as a nation.
We have no inherent responsibility to them as a nation.
Though they are a strategic partner in that difficult region, one can argue (quite successfully) that our continued advocacy for Israel has hurt relations mor than it has helped them with other countries.
Individuals? Are we talking about Israeli citizens?
If so I don't that we have responsibility for citizens of another sovereign state.
As a nation we have the same responsibility to Israel as to any other ally.
As individuals, towards the country. Like in my case, I believe scripture commands me, individually, to pray for Israel to turn to Christ.
But I see nowhere in scripture where we are to financially support them, over other nations. And I see nowhere in scripture where we are commanded to protect them from other nations. It seems when the Bible mentions Israel, it is talking to Israel.
I think a Christian who tells me I have to vote to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuke, in order to protect Israel would have a hard time backing it up with scripture. Shouldn't this be left to Israel ?
I agree, the same way I should pray for the people of Ireland, Germany, or France to turn to Christ.
I agree. I am disturbed by the sale of Israel fighter jets to Red China and don't think we as believing Americans need to support that.
I would be interested in seeing your evidence for this claim.
To pray for the peace of Israel and the salvation of the people. As an ally we are responsible to hold up the terms of any agreement we have with them.
Christ won't be ruling from France, or any where else.
I don't see the connection between the millennial reign and the current political state of Israel.
Well they are the descendants of the Israelites that Moses brought out of Egypt. They are the heirs to the promised land that they now occupy, and they will turn to faith in the Messiah according to Romans 11:26.
The US may or may not have an obligation to help Israel but we do well to not cause them harm – Zechariah 2:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.
What evidence do we have that this political state is the same group to whom God gave the Abrahamic Covenant?
Is the state of Israel, founded in 1948, the apple of God's eye?
Well they are the descendents and there is DNA evidence:
"With a new technique based on the male or Y chromosome, biologists have traced the diaspora of Jewish populations from the dispersals that began in 586 B.C. to the modern communities of Europe and the Middle East...The analysis provides genetic witness that these communities have, to a remarkable extent, retained their biological identity separate from their host populations, evidence of relatively little intermarriage or conversion into Judaism over the centuries."
This speaks of Jews of all nations, not the political state that calls itself Israel.
I'll Go Out on the Proverbial Limb....
....We are not their keeper, and we need to treat them no differently than we'd treat any other very good ally!
However, we have no right telling them what they can and cannot do when it comes to defending their home turf.
If someone on the other side of our border launched missiles into our states, we'd have every right to take whatever action, we deem necessary to avenge that attack.
If someone from another nation sent suicide bombers into our country and killed American citizens, we'd have every right to retaliate.
So, when it comes to Israel, and their defense, and their building within unclaimed/claimed territories, they are sovereign, and we need to butt out, and leave them to do their thing.
This is a great question, and I'm sure you will have many great respopnses. Thanks for asking for opinions!
BTW. I am an active supporter and activist for Israel. I believe we are spiritually joined at the hips, and bound to be involved with them one way, or the other! We just don't have the right to order them, around as if they were under our Constititution.
Pastor Paul :type:
It is the same people, in the same land that was promised to them.
Obviously it is not the millenial kingdom, or a direct descendent of David sitting on the throne in Jerusalem.
Prove there is a distinction
No one really knows, do they? I don't want US policy based a possibly flawed theological view.
Genesis 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Since God made an everlasting covenant with the Jews, His promises do not expire.
'The Jews' are not necessarily synonymous with the present political state of Israel. Just because they call themselves doesn't make it so.
Yes they are. That land was promised to the Jews to be an eternal possession. No other nation in the world has been scattered over the earth and then brought back to inhabit their original land except for Israel. God promised it to the Jews and He will keep His promise. At the present time, they are still rejecting their Messiah, but they won't forever and God is drawing them back to their land where they will eventually turn to Christ and be saved. And there has always been a remnant in the land of Israel, from Abraham until present day, no matter who ruled over them.