Ugandan pastors blast Rick Warren for opposing anti-gay law

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  1. Revmitchell

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    A group of Ugandan pastors is calling on Southern Baptist mega-church pastor Rick Warren to apologize for his recent letter opposing anti-gay legislation pending in the east African nation.

    The Uganda National Pastors Task Force Against Homosexuality asked Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., to "biblically issue an apology for having wronged us" by intervening in the matter.

    "Your letter has caused great distress and the pastors are demanding that you issue a formal apology for insulting the people of Africa by your very inappropriate bully use of your church and purpose driven pulpits to coerce us into the 'evil' of Sodomy and Gaymorrah," said signers led by Martin Ssempa, a Ugandan pastor who in the past worked with Warren on prevention of AIDS in Africa.

    Warren's association with Ssempa, a leading proponent of Uganda's proposed Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009, led some U.S. critics to suggest that Warren supports the law that carries a death penalty for acts defined as "aggravated homosexuality."

    ......... They said they don't want Uganda to repeat the mistake of Western societies like the United States, "where the issue of homosexuality was treated with kid-gloves as a minor, private issue, but these societies are waking up too late on realizing that the matter affects how their entire society is ran, what children are taught at school and literally what everybody 'must believe and practice.'"

    They also cited the "take-over by homosexuals of western institutions that should have remained as defenders and protectors of moral integrity in society, particularly the church, to the extent that even evangelical church leaders in America no longer protest when a practicing homosexual is appointed into pastoral leadership in the church."

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    so the purpose driven writer is pro-gay ?
    what else is new under the sun ?
     
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    What people do in their bedroom is no business of the government.
     
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    maybe so. but when what they do in the bedroom is something they want to ram down society's throat it becomes public business.
     
  5. Aaron

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    When this deviant behavior becomes public knowledge, then it is the business of the government.
     
  6. Aaron

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    pinoy, you might consider rephrasing your post in context of this thread. :eek:
     
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    No it doesn't. If gay people want to advertise that they're gay, that's a free speech issue.
     
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    Sorry bad joke.















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    It is a far left wing liberal lie that homosexuality is only about what goes on in the bedroom. The fact is it is about making their behavior acceptable, forcing states to accept gay marriage, filling the brains of our children across America with this deviant propaganda. It is am evil agenda with a whole lot more than just private bedroom activities. But then all liberals who call themselves moderates already know this but choose to ignore it.
     
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    No it isn't. The First Amendment guarantees free political speech. It does not protect profanity.
     
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    Gay marriage is a very political issue.

    Oh, Rev. Mitchell, I'm so much of a libbie that I'm opposed to gay marriage and think homosexual acts are a sin.
     
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    Do you live in a cave? The agenda is to make society accept homosexuality as normal and good.

    Have you noticed that

    ...anyone who thinks homosexuality is immoral is called a "homophobe" and has "narrow views?"

    ...books and magazines extolling gay behavior are easy to buy or find at the library, whereas before, they weren't?

    ...there are programs in schools to teach children that homosexuality is okay (this has been going on for over 10 yrs. in my area) and that gay marriage is okay?

    ...the more extreme and bizarre fringe of the gay culture is now more acceptable or at least not as shocking to people?

    ....that many once conservative churches (not to mention the liberal ones) accept homosexual couples as members, and more churches are ordaining them as ministers?
     
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    What you are is a very young man who has not walked the face of the earth long enough to have any solid foundational beliefs yet.
     
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    The issue in Uganda isn't about debating homosexuality, it's about the practice thereof.
     
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    Since Uganda is not part of the United States we cannot apply United States law or logic to this situation. Uganda is a sovereign nation and they must do what they think is best. They should not have asked Rick Warren to endorse their law and they should not be surprised that he refused to do so. After all, their new law would not pass muster under the United States constitution.
     
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    That is the kind of unBiblical logic that the Apostle Paul, and God Himself, warned against (Jer 1:6-8, 1Tim 4:12). Besides, you are in no place to determine (judge) who can and who cannot have "solid foundational beliefs".
     
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    You have misquoted that passage and taken it out of context.
     
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    ==As a conservative, I realize that any law that allows the federal (or state) government to regulate private behavior will be used against Christians. You like these laws when they are aimed at perverts, but any law that allows the government access to your personal business will be used against you (and me) as a Christian. These type of laws are nothing but a slippery slop towards big brother and government control/monitering of every aspect of your life.

    Homosexuality is a sin, but I don't want the American federal government going around monitoring what consenting adults are doing in their bedrooms. These laws may go after homosexuals first but mark my word these very same laws will be used against home Bible studies, Christian parents, Christian home schoolers, preachers, and Christian bloggers.

    The situation in Uganda has no impact on me or America. Uganda is a separate, sovereign nation, and they must make their own laws. However in the United States I don't believe any such law should be in place. I believe in freedom of conscious. Even when that freedom is abused by perverts and liars to do wicked things.

    ==And the power you wish the government to have will only be used to push the very agenda you are rightly warning against. We must stand up to the violation of state's rights by standing on the Constitution. The Federal government does not, in any way, have the authority to force states to accept gay marriage (Amendment X).
     
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    ==Prove it. You used a Christian's youth against him. How is that any different from what Paul commanded Timothy not to let others do to him?
     
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    And this is where your argument falls apart. No one is monitoring what goes on in bedrooms in the US. That is a fallacy and a strawman.
     
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