UN/US Refugee Resettlement?

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  1. righteousdude2

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PzT8vEvYPg&feature=share

    IMHO: I received this video, and at first thought, hmmm? Nevertheless, after watching it and listening to the message, I became more outraged at the liberalism our nation is falling to, and it has been going on for 35 years now! Not that the majority of these refugees aren't appreciative and contribute wonderful things to the country. It does make sense that we may well be on the way to the same problems Europe is now facing. When a nation accepts people that refuse to transition and ASSIMILATE to the cultures and traditions of the hosting nation, we are in for future problems!

    Is she right? Yes? No? Maybe?!
     
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    Yes, she is correct. I saw that video last night without realizing that your new thread here featured that video.

    The Center for Security Policy, which sponsored the video is a think tank headed by a former Reagan Under Secretary of Defense, Frank Gaffney.

    So what you have here is the work of Reagan Republicans. And it is very reliable.
     
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    Frank Gaffney.

    Frank Gaffney, director of the hardline neoconservative Center for Security Policy (CSP), is a leading anti-Islamic pundit in the United States who advocates controversial weapons programs, a right-wing Israeli line on Mideast security, and an expansive "war on terror" targeting "Islamofascists" (a popular Gaffney term). Gaffney has been a militarist gadfly since the 1970s, getting his start working on the staff of Sen. Henry "Scoop" Jackson (D-WA) before joining the Ronald Reagan Pentagon working under Richard Perle.

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    Before becoming undersecretary of defense for policy, Douglas Feith was the CSP's chairman and legal counsel as well as a financial contributor. Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Cheney have also long been close associates of CSP, which has been described as the "Star Warriors Hall of Fame." Rumsfeld, in addition to being a CSP "Keeper of the Flame" award winner in 1998, has been a CSP financial backer, and Cheney was formerly a CSP board member.[22]

    In 1990 Gaffney scoffed at those who believed that Mikhail Gorbachev intended to allow the peaceful disintegration of the Soviet Union. The CSP's mission was "to promote world peace through American strength," Gaffney asserted. Holding firm, he continued warning of the imperial designs of the then-collapsing Soviet Union. Gaffney discounted evidence that the country was rapidly disintegrating and dismissed the sincerity of Gorbachev's overtures of cooperation with the United States. "Now is the time for a new Team B," urged Gaffney, "and a clear-eyed assessment of the abiding Soviet (and other) challenges that dictate a continued, robust defense posture."[23]

    The Soviet Union imploded before Gaffney could mobilize right-wing congressional members to establish an independent threat assessments commission.

    Continue . . . http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/gaffney_frank

    Neocons are very reliable.

    You can depend on them to discount any evidence that contradicts their fear mongering allegations, start wars, arm proxy fighters and militarize the police to . . .

    "make the world safe for democracy" - Woodrow Wilson

    No matter how much of our blood and tax money they have to spend to do it.

    The world be better off today if the "crazies" had stayed in the basement.
     
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    It seems to me, Poncho, that you used Gaffney to comment on Islamic infiltration into the GOP and said that he was reliable.

    Your darling, Pat Buchanan was once a Reaganite also before he became part of the fringe paleo-cons and left the GOP and ran on the Reform ticket.

    The Ann Corcoran video stand on its own and is accurate.
     
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    Ok, what do we have today?

    blah blah blah

    Guilt by association fallacy? Gee that's a first. Fringe paleo-cons? Lol. In other words the "crazies" are the majority, and that's suppose to be some kind of a good and honorable thing right?

    Propaganda tip . . . stick to the "guilt by association" fallacy until you get more practice at "marginalizing the opposition".

    According to who? Your majority of "crazies"?

    The last time they were right about anything was, . . . never.

    Iraq? Wrong!
    Libya? Wrong!
    Syria? Wrong!
    Arming "moderate" rebels? Wrong!
    Regime change in Ukraine? Wrong!
    Arming neo nazis? Wrong!

    The world rolling over and being subservient to Washington DC? Wrong!

    The American people not noticing the militarized police state being built up around them? Wrong!

    Unitary presidency? Wrong!

    Usurping the constitution? Wrong!

    Trading liberty for safety? Wrong!

    They've never been right (or accurate) about anything so how "credible" can they be?

    Just because no one is calling them the "crazies in the basement" anymore doesn't mean they aren't still crazy.
     
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    I got an idea, Poncho, why don't we bring all jihadists to the USA so that we can keep an eye on them?
     
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    I got a better idea, CMG, why don't we just put everyone but neocons and their frightened deluded followers in concentration camps?

    Only then can we be assured the world will be "safe for democracy".

    Don't be surprised when the neocons having no one else left to demonize or scare turn their attention on their frightened and deluded followers. It's the neocon's nature to demonize and scare people to start wars and consolidate their political power.

    It's also the neocon's nature to declare all their miserable costly failures as resounding victories. Or at least claim the only sure way to "victory" is to pour more gasoline on the fire they sparked themselves.
     
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    Or we could send you paleo-cons to live in the Baltic states as sort of a trip wire.
     
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    For those readers who don't know "paleo-cons" to which CMG refers are conservatives that didn't follow the herd when conservatism went all authoritarian, paranoid and war crazy.

    Neocons hate having "paleo-cons" and libertarians around because it's a constant reminder to them of how they abandoned conservatism and the republican form of government this nation once flourished under.

    For their own "safety".
     
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    Ay, Poncho, everyone knows that a paleo-con is someone like the anti-Semitic Pat Buchanan, for example, and everyone knows that you should go to the Baltics to live to serve as a trip wire.
     
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    Hey Ponch, stick with the conspiracy posts, they suit you better than arguing politics ..... :laugh:
     
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    Funny how y'all default back to your corporate sponsored talking points when ya can't prove me wrong. :applause:

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    Pavlov would have a field day studying how well you've been conditioned to respond. :laugh:

    Question: How do you tell the difference between a "paleo-con" and a "neo-con"?

    Answer: The "neo-con" has lies on his lips and blood on his hands.
     
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    I gotta hand it to ya CMG ole buddy no one knows as many ways to work the "guilt by association" fallacy into a discussion as you! :applause:

    By "everyone" I assume you're referring to the few Faux Snews viewers here who still believe all the neocon's fear mongering after they've proven themselves to be paranoid pathological liars with blood on their hands many times over.

    You know what would be different? If you could actually prove what you claim is true instead of trying to make me look bad for proving you can't. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Well, Poncho, the paleo-cons are a bad lot across the board so it is no wonder that you feel guilty for associating with them.

    The fact of the matter, which you don't want to discuss, is that the UN and Obama are dumping Islamofascists throughout the USA.
     
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    Yes, a smaller less intrusive constitutional republic is bad, for authoritarian empire builders who use crisis and the threat of terrorism to consolidate their power and control.

    Which as you keep reminding us make up the "majority" today as if that's supposed to be some good and honorable thing.

    Neocons aren't conservative. They're corporatist. What that means is they want to merge government and corporate power and they're doing a bang up job of it while you and your "Baptist Board majority of five sometimes as many as seven" stumble around in denial and believe everything the corporate sponsored politicians and the corporate sponsored "think tanks" and the corporate owned TV talking heads claim to justify more and bigger unlawful, unconstitutional and even criminal acts committed against the American people and those in foreign lands by democrats and republicans.

    I know Obama is bringing Muslims here, I know he's flooding the country with illegals. You know what that's called in geopolitical terms? No. You probably don't. Why? Because you can't see beyond the false left vs right paradigm.

    It's called Balkanization.

    Balkanization, or Balkanisation, is a pejorative geopolitical term, originally used to describe the process of fragmentation or division of a region or state into smaller regions or states that are often hostile or non-cooperative with one another.


    Smaller regions? How about groups within a society like black vs white? Or black vs cop? Or legal immigration vs illegal immigration? Pro-life vs pro-choice? Republican vs democrat?

    Geopolitically speaking . . . what is the point of balkanization?

    Divide and conquer.

    A divide and conquer strategy, also known as “divide and rule strategy” is often applied in the arenas of politics and sociology. In this strategy, one power breaks another power into smaller, more manageable pieces, and then takes control of those pieces one by one. It generally takes a very strong power to implement such a strategy. In order to successfully break up another power or government, the conqueror must have access to strong political, military, and economic machines. [1]

    Think . . . black vs white. Or black vs cop. Or legal immigration vs illegal immigration. Pro-life vs pro-choice. Republican vs democrat.

    Just recently we've witnessed increased racial division and how the government and media helped increase it. And you don't think it's done with an "end game" in mind?

    Oh wait I forgot who I was talking to. You probably think the "end game" is to win votes for the democrats. :laugh: Sorry couldn't help it. :laugh:

    Leaders who use a divide and conquer strategy may encourage or foster feuds between smaller powers. This kind of political maneuvering requires a great understanding of the people who are being manipulated. In order to foster feuds, for example, one must understand the political and social histories of the parties intended to take part in the feuds. [2]

    Or leaders who use a divide and conquer strategy may encourage blacks to protest or even riot. Trayvon Martin? Ferguson? Baltimore? Hello? Is there anybody in there?

    End game? A nationalized miltary style police force. Hello? Hello? The lights are on . . . is anybody home?

    The divide and conquer strategy has been widely used throughout history. Both the Roman empire and the British empire played small tribes and groups against one another in order to control their lands and territories. It was used by the Romans when they took Britain, when the British Empire took India, and when the Anglo-Normans took Ireland. A staple political strategy, divide and conquer is still used by many countries today.
    [3]

    Long story short the so called "western powers" have been using divide and conquer hundreds of years so what makes you think they wouldn't use a divide and conquer strategy on us today?

    Because we're so enlightened and know history so well? :laugh:

    Sure, ok, what ever the corporate sponsored "majority" (corporate sponsored politicians, corporate sponsored think tanks and the corporate owned and controlled consolidated media) tells you must be true. They have "consensus" after all.:rolleyes:
     
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    You didn't watch the video, did you?
     
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    Yes I did.

    Islamofascists? :laugh: When did you develop an aversion to fascism?

    Your corporate sponsored "majority" is fascist.

    Here's what you don't want to discuss. Frank Gafney, the Center for Security Policy and the neocons in both parties and the media are responsible for creating the chaos and killing in the "refugees" home nations they want to escape.

    You don't want Islamic refugees pouring into the country then stop championing the paranoid fear induced interventionist policies that create the conditions they're trying to escape.
     
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    Earth to Poncho, Muhammad created the Islamic Temple of Doom.

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    Possibly, but it took a gargantuan bipartisan effort and a whole bunch of tax dollars for congress to turn it into "ISIS" aka the perfect pretext for justifying more wars, more debt, less freedom and the continuation of an insane foreign policy that seeks to first create then destroy enemies.

    That would be a "tri-partisan" effort if we include all the corporate sponsored think tanks and corporate sponsored TV talking heads that act as propaganda outlets for the corporate sponsored congress and the corporate sponsored executive branch.

    Might be a good time for you to start worrying less about "Islamo-fascists" and start worrying more about the "Imperio (corporate) fascists" that have taken over the United State's foreign policy apparatus.
     
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    Meanwhile, you will be living high on the hog in the Baltics.
     

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