The following was a comment and response on this issue on another thread. I was asked to start a new thread concerning this issue. As always, everyone is certainly free and encouraged to join in! HP: Well, on one hand you preach real good, but on the other hand, I know you DHK. We have walked together for quite some time now. Lets' test your preaching. So, the life of the believer is characterized by those who show the fruit of the Spirit and NOT the works of the flesh. Why am I having such a hard time believing you really believe that? Lets take this a step further. So, one sinning every day in thought word and deed would not characterize a believer, right?