United 93

My husband wants to see the movie and is planning to go next week. I dont think I can handle it, so I am not going. But I will never forget.

 

I don't think I can handle that right now. Sorry.

Joseph Botwinick

 

A&E had a movie called United 93 or something like that, on tonight. Seeing that made me feel the same way.
I do plan on watching that movie when it comes to DVD.

 

im from canada.

how many people died in that accident?

another question: what is the main reason you americans take it so hard? why is it so hard to handle for you?

 

WHAT? It wasn't an accident!! It was terrorism, an act of terror/cold blooded murder on our country! We tend to take that personaly.
Would you not take it hard if this happened in Canada?!
I can't remember exactly now but around 3000 people died that day.

 

If they had chosen to fly into downtown Ontario, Alberta or Montreal???

Perhaps, *then* you'd understand...

Yes, the final total was in the 3,000 range...

But, as confused as things were...

*IF* the planes had been as much as a half hour later...

It could have been over 50,000!

The Twin Towers were *big* buildings...

Not since the deception of Pearl Harbor has an enemy attacked the "Homeland"...

Mad, you'd better believe it! Blood boiling MAD!

And, if I were fit and young enough I would take up arms in an instant and go to Iraq even march on Iran...

Forget Nukes... This *is* personal!

Forget? NEVER!

Mike Sr.

 

Mike Sr.

Trouble is, it wasn't Iraq or Iran that perpetrated that act. It was Al Qaeda, and most of the suicidal terrorists that horrible day, were Saudis.

Also, who do you propose we invade to pay back for the acts of terror that took place in Oklahoma City and Littleton, Colorado?

 

So if we don't support invading countries that have nothing to do with the attack on the U.S., we are effeminate? It isn't about "growing a set", it is about using our rational minds to go after the perpetrators instead of being ruled by testosterone and emotions. BTW, despite dramatic license and a good deal of speculation, I will probably see the film. I watched the A&E version a couple of months back too.

 

I think you are asking a question, not making an accusation. I'll respond as such.

You must remember, as was mentioned, that 9/11 did not cause the loss of life it could have. The actions of united 93's passengers, plus the early hour of the WTC and pentagon attacks, kept the loss of life from being in the tens of thousands.

But it's not the sheer number (~3,000 or so) that causes Americans grief. It was the unprovoked nature of the attack and the nature of it. Completely innocent civilians were slaughtered--simply because they were American (or at least in America). This was the most cowardly act ever perpetrated against our country. Even Pearl Harbor, as dastardly as that was, was against a predominately military target. This was aimed at innocent civilians.

Secondly, it was an attack against freedom. We have freedom of movement in this country--freedom to come and go. Because of 9/11, these freedoms have been altered (not looking for a debate, just stating a fact). We're now more cautious, and more restrictive...trying to prevent another attack.

Thirdly, it was a crippling blow to our sense of security. We now think of dying by another's hand when we board a plane. That didn't happen much before 9/11.

Fourthly...with death totals in the thousands, there are countless Americans who know someone killed, injured, or traumatized by this event. This isn't an attack on strangers...for much of this country, this was an attack on family.

Finally, Americans were incensed because millions of Muslims around the world danced in the streets at the sight of the attack. There were a few to speak out against it (and most countries "officially" condemned the attacks), but the fact remains that much of the muslim rank and file has such an intense hatred of our country that they rejoice when innocents are slaugtered by monsters with no conscience.

Gekko, I mean nothing bad by this...but if Canada were to have thousands of people slaughtered in Montreal and Toronto...you would understand. I wish this on no country.

 

MP,

You are mistaken if you think Iraq had *nothing* to do with the attacks... Horribly so...

You also probably don't think Iraq had anything to do with palestinian homicide bombers in Israel, either...

And, if you think that Iran won't give terrorists a nuke and pay them to go after US before they go after Israel you really live in a dream state...

Mike Sr.

 

Mike,

Give me evidence of the assertion that Iraq was involved. Even President Bush now denies that earlier claim, even going so far as to say he never made that claim.

 

"if Canada were to have thousands of people slaughtered in Montreal and Toronto...you would understand."

i dont think i would understand. i wouldn't be as affected as any of you are.
call me desensitized if you wish. that i am not. call me un-emotional if you wish. that i am not.
call me cold-blooded if you wish. that i am not.
call me one of the terrorists if you wish. that i am not.

reason i would not be affected as much as americans are if that happened here in canada?

the only thing that would affect me is not knowing how many true christians are in the accident. my gut would clench at the fact that so many could have died without Christ and gone to hell. i'd be mad at myself. that's what. i'd be mad at myself simply for the fact of: what could i have done to prevent, not the attack from terrorists, but to prevent those lost souls from ending up in hell.

i look back on the 9/11 attack. and im not affected as i should be. America was in the churches for a week after that... and then it dwindled. no rising rates of people becoming christians... now that is what affects me.

 

http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/al-queda-iraq-connection.html

http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=092503F

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20031201-123723-4738r.htm

The problem with all this is that Circumstantial evidence is easy to deny if it protects one's backside...

IE., various foreign governemnt and some of our own agencies now deny they knew or said anything...

After it became evident that it was their lack of action that allowed 9-11 to go forward...

Like Chernobyl, 9-11 was a comedy of errors where so many oppurtunities to stop the attacks were simply ignored or missed...

What do you do?

If you know your neighbor is selling drug but you can't prove in a court of law? Move?

Well, what do you do if you have circumstantial evidence that a country has strongly encouraged a terrorist organization to attack you...

But, can't prove it in a court of law?

Do you act? Or, give them another shot at you?

I have no doubts that Osama's people were actively seeking support from Iraq, Syria, and Iran...

No, 9-11 wasn't planned by Iraq...

But, the encouragement to attack the US by Iraq most assuredly emboldened Al Quaeda to do 'something'...

9-11 was the result of that encouragement...

That we found *any* indication of the meetings at all is amazing given the time lapse and the highly secretive and face-to-face nature of those meetings...

And, one has to wonder how an enemy got over $1 Billion in US currency hoarded...

And, how it had been used in the past and what the plans were for it in the future...

You don't think that US companies are the only ones adept at hiding funds and playing that shell game with it, do you?

And, if you don;t think encouragement counts...

Try this...

Your son is being beaten up by a neighborhood bully... And, I am standing there cheering him on instead of intervening... Do I or do I not share any of the guilt?

Mike Sr.

 

Do you always take cheap shots? Or is this time special?

 

Gekko's entire premise is a cheap shot.

It wasn't an accident. It was a terrorist attack. And yes, Gekko, you are insensitive and cold hearted. I will leave it at that.

Joseph Botwinick

 

That’s very possible Joseph; I don’t have a complete understanding of his premise at this time, but attacking his grammar rather than his premise is wrong and fallacious. I’m sure I’m guilty of this at times, but it’s not right.

 

His premise is that it was an accident and no big deal.

Joseph Botwinick