Universalism

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Does a belief in universalism indicate a lack of salvation?

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  1. StefanM

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    Another thread gave me this idea.

    This is a poll about the salvation of universalists.

    For the purposes of this poll, assume all other doctrines believed by said individual are within the bounds of orthodoxy.
     
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    That would be impossible, because through the heresy of universalism, they also reject the Biblical teachings of not having any other gods (monotheism), the inspriation of all scripture since the Bible says that salvation is through Christ alone, and embrace the false teaching of works salvation.

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  3. Fishnbread

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    I voted no but that was a mistake so when counting up the votes please subtract one from the No crowd.

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  4. StefanM

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    I have heard universalists say that all who are saved are saved through Christ. Those that die without Christ get a "second chance" (I know that's nowhere close to biblical).
     
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    Uh, i thought 'universalism' is the doctrine
    that teaches Jesus died for all, so all
    will be saved. So i voted from the Universalism
    viewpoint, and figured that Universalist
    are saved (like all people will be ;) )
     
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    From KenH's link:
    Many people today may understand the term "Universalism", as it relates to religion, as a word that designates the belief that "All religions are equally true, good, and that they all equally will lead to heaven, or to God." This definition of "Universalism" could better be described as "Pluralist Universalism" and could be equated with "secular humanism".

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    There was a Unitarian Universalism church a block from our house in Connecticut and I met the minister at an AIDS rally. His explanation of their beliefs was like that above.

    Unitarian Universalism
    n.
    A religious association of Christian origin that has no official creed and that considers God to be unipersonal, salvation to be granted to the entire human race, and reason and conscience to be the criteria for belief and practice.

    I believe this belief indicates a lack of salvation because it misses out on all salvific components required.
     
  8. KenH

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    I guess this thread needs to be narrowed down as to whether it is concerning Unitarian Universalism that teaches all religions are basically equal or Christian Universalism that teaches salvation is only in Christ Jesus.
     
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    What does a "Christian" Universalist say about those who die or already have died without Christ?

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  10. StefanM

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    The OP was concerning Christian Universalism.
     
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    I believe those two words put together is a contradiction in terms. Not everyone will be saved.

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    I agree with Joseph. Those two terms have a definite contradiction.
     
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    Yes. . . salvation will not come to all.

    But . . . why does the belief that it will require that the one holding it is not saved?

    Baptism of infants is not correct, but you can be saved even if you believe in infant baptism.

    Why is Christian universalism different?
     
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    Because of the reasons I mentioned earlier in the thread.

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    1. Christian universalists do not acknowledge any other gods.

    2. Christian universalists may or may not dispute this, but I have heard of those who say that all are saved through Christ alone.

    3. Works salvation means that you contributed to your salvation. Some Christian universalists believe that all are saved by grace. If Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. all end up in heaven, how in the world could that be works-based salvation??
     
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    1. Universalists believe that those who do not accept Christ before they die will go to heaven. That includes Muslims, etc... They do not worship the same God as us. At the very least, the universalists is saying it doesn't matter what god you worship, you will be saved. This is unBiblical.

    2. What do they say about those who have died without Christ?

    3. What do they say about those who have died without Christ?

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    I have heard of those who believe that those who die without Christ will be punished in hell for a time then will be given a chance to confess Jesus as Lord, at which point they would be saved.
     
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    And they believe this based on what?

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  20. dianetavegia

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    StefanM, that sounds like some Catholic purgatory type doctrine and certainly isn't scriptural! Forever means forever!
     

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