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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Salty, Oct 19, 2010.
Did anybody make it to the UR B meeting this past week?
Would you consider joing the UR Baptists?
I'd never heard of them til now and honestly don't know enough about them (besides the website) to form an opinion.
By not having an opinion makes you a good Baptist -:smilewinkgrin: time to issue you your non-ID card!
Ah, Yes, ol' Dr. Greg Dixon. The man who decided that it was God's will for him not to pay his payroll taxes ---- and lost his Church for it.
He's as bad, and about as goofy as Dr. Dino. :tonofbricks:
Name rings a bell - but I cant place him
How do you register to attend a meeting of unregistered baptists? :laugh:
HEH! Veeeeeery carefully. :tongue3:
He had a huge Church and School; and back in the 1990's he got cross ways with IRS on Payroll taxes; he said by biblical law he didn't have to do it. Well, the IRS had other plans, they had to carry him out on a stretcher, they seized the Church and the school.
The school ended up being sold to a private company which opened up in the same building. But the Church building was razed.
It was a sad situation all around.
He also, at one time; was in with the Sword of the Lord crowd, until he decided to violate federal law. That's when the SOL crowd left him out in the cold.
... and he has never let them forget about it either...
Here's the Wikipedia on it:
and on the Church:
I remember it being on the news; and Bush being blasted by Christians at the time for not doing something about it. But what could he do? The man violated the law.
This puts me out by my choice:
and this puts me out by their choice:
And this just strikes me as plain silly:
Three strikes! I'm guessing they won't miss me.
I know its not a secret hand shake, but its a secret something.
Fundy - thanks for the info on Dr. Dino
Um.... It was not info on Dino. It was info on Greg Dixon. LOL! :tongue3:
i guess Dr. Greg Dixon does not understand Luke 20: 25 in the same light that I do.
Sounds good for those who like the tea party movement.
Dixon's crowd is looney-tune for sure, but the principle of not looking for the government to license/control a church IS a good thing.
A church gives a license to preach and ordination, not to be confused with any action of the state. A church can organize and meet without any federal 501(c)3 or state incorporation. They are considered de facto a religious charitable organization.
Now if a church (like ones I've pastored) decides NOT to be incorporated, it will not receive the so-called "benefits" from the state. That is, it will pay taxes on purchases or properties like any other private entity.
Such a fractional amount of tax money is a small price to pay for total freedom from the arbitrary rules of government.
Ok, the church buy a piano for 1,000 dollars @ 8.25 % - that amounts $82.50 extra paid in sales tax - I would not call that a fractional amount.
In addition, suppose a man gives $100 a week - thats 5 Grand for the year - if he is in the 25% tax bracket, he would loose over %1,000 dollars in extra taxes.
Please, receiving a tax shelter is NOT the reason to give, but why give to the govt, if you need not to?
I've also never heard of them and have no what "unregrestered" means.
Why would a church spend such money? Churches meet in homes, so no building/property. Churches give their money away, with little need to buy "possessions" (except a bottle of wine and box of matzo for communion). Maybe give a few $$ to the teaching elder to reimburse his time and expenses.
In 2010 our church has spent less than $2500 on taxable items - rent (we got large enough to need to use a motel meeting room), dinner supplies, communion stuff, bulletin/printing. Wyoming sales tax is 4%. You do the math. A pittance.
We give $12,500 to elders for preaching/teaching as reimbursement for time. We give $45,000 to missions - 75% of all that comes in.
BTW, it is a myth that you need to be incorporated or 501(c)3 for folks who GIVE to the church to declare it as charitable giving. Being a church the US government has now for 20 years stated they are "de facto" covered.
And another BTW, the US treasury has no right to know what I give to God's work. I do not declare a penny of it ri get some "write off"; that is between me and God, not a bureaucrat at the IRS
I didn't know that. I think it is the primary reason churches incorporate when they never did before.