Unspoken Prayers

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  1. freeatlast

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    In today's church there has risen a practice by some that is both non biblical as well as disrespectful to the Lord. That practice is to pray unspoken prayers. Unspoken prayer requests are simply not biblical. They go against what scripture teaches as how we are to pray. No one in the bible ever prayed such prayers. One reason is that NO ONE can pray in faith while praying an unspoken prayer. If we do not know what we are asking we pray as those who tempt God with meaningless words without understanding. It would be like a child who goes to their parent and says the following. "Father just say yes to my request. The father says what is your request? The child again says just say yes." No wise father would say yes and neither does God.
    The same is when we seek God with prayers without knowledge. We seek Him in vain and we sin. Yes He knows all, but we are also responsible to approach our Lord in understanding and respect and in the manner given by example in scripture. And let's be honest here. We may be asking for something sinful for someone else. The fact that we may be a friend to the person and trust that person does not justify going against the way that the Lord has commanded us to pray. The bible strongly warns against doing things our way. Psalm 81:12, EZE. 13:2,
    May we not become like those of old who fell to condemnation of doing our own will instead of that of God. True faith praying needs to understand what we ask so we can say the Amen. There is a scripture that shows it to be wrong to say amen to that which we know not what we are say the amen to. It is in 1 Corinthians 14;
    Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
    While this is dealing directly with tongues it also has application to praying without understanding as well as saying amen to something that we have not understood. Saying amen is an acknowledgement that what has just been prayed is of God and God's will. It is putting our relationship on the line with God saying that I agree with this and God should do this. Prayer is a serious thing and should be done with a great deal of concern and respect. Unspoken prayers violates any model given in scripture and so violates God's will for prayer.
    So what should we do if someone asks us to pray an unknown prayer? If we love the Lord and love the person we should lovingly tell them that we cannot pray in faith without understanding what we are seeking God to do. If the request is too personal to share then they should find someone who they trust enough to share it with so that they can pray in faith. That does not mean that every detail needs to be shared. If someone needs healing say that. if someone needs saved say that. if someone needs to be set free from addiction say that and so on. There is no need to say that the person is a homosexual needing saved, or that the person has aids and needs healed or other details. We only need to have an understanding of the basic need. Again there is no need for exact details, but we do need too understand what the request is about so we can pray in faith. No one can pray in faith and not know what they are asking, NO ONE! It is impossible and we are commanded to pray in faith. To do anything less we sin and dishonor the Lord.
    Now someone might bring up Romans 8:26 which reads;
    Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
    However this passage is not suggesting that we pray without knowing what we are asking for. It is saying that even though we know what we are seeking we do not know how to properly approach God. The word that is translated "ought" is the Greek word dā and it means; "it is necessary, there is need of, it behooves, is right and proper." In other words the manner we seek God is not totally understood. We simply do not know how to properly approach God in respect and honor. So the Spirit intercedes for us. However we are never to seek Him with prayers that we do not know what we are asking.
    Now someone might say that God does answer unspoken prayers. Not so. What has happened is that God answered the prayer of someone else who actually asked knowing what they were asking. Those who pray without knowing simply dishonored the Lord and do no good at all, but actually are in sin. So let us pray biblically as well as honorably before our Lord doing so in faith. If we will do this we will help hinder the efforts of darkness from dishonoring our Lord and in doing so find that we are really part of God's answered prayer. God bless

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    We have a time during the Wednesday service where people bring up prayer requests and we pray as a church for them. Is this what you're referring to?

    If so, aren't you talking about 2 different things in your OP? Isn't there a difference between making my request known to God privately and telling everybody else in the church what that request is?
     
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    Hello ccrobinson,
    I am not sure how to state what I was refering to any other way then I did. You might want to read the article again and see if it becomes more clear too you. I can say that an uunspoken prayer is one that is prayed by a person for another not knowing what they are asking or saying an amen to something that they do not know what the amen was dealing with. God bless
     
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    I do not follow your reasoning at all.

    An unspoken request is only unspoken to other people. It is spoken to God in private prayer. Therefore, it is in no way disrespectful to the Lord.

    I have at times asked for unspoken requests and have folks at my church that will occasionally ask for them as well. I find nothing wrong with it, and I am always happy to mention them in my prayers trusting that God knows the situation and can completely handle it without me knowing all the details.

    I have found that some people just do not like them because they are too nosy for their own good and cannot stand the thought of not knowing all the details of peoples lives.
     
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    Many people choose do do things their own way. We are warned from scripture that this would happen in the last days. Unless you can show me some scripture that shows that unspoken prayers are biblical I will stad with what scripture teaches on prayer.

     
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    Unless you can show me some scripture that shows that unspoken prayers are biblical I will stad with what scripture teaches on prayer.byFAL

    That's fine and dandy, why don't you start with Scripture that is againest "unspoken" requests.

    Every Wednesday evening someone in our church has an "unspoken" request. They know what it is, and a lot of the times they have already discussed this with the pastor and I'm sure God knows, so the only ones in the dark so to speak are the members. So what? Some things are better left untold in public. There is no Scripture against it!
     
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    Some things are nobody else's business, and far to often what is brought up as prayer requests becomes food for the gossips.
     
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    "Unspoken prayer" to me means prayer uttered in the silence of the heart, the sort of prayer Hannah was engaged in, in 1 Samuel 1.13:

    Now Hannah spoke in her heart; only her lips moved, but her voice was not heard. Therefore Eli thought she was drunk.

    You seem to be using it in a different way, to mean spoken prayer with undisclosed subject-matter. Have I understood you correctly?
     
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    Yes. Someone will ask the church or group to pray for them about a specific subject, but will not disclose to the group what it is.
     
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    That verse has nothing at all to do with unspoken prayers.

    Scripture teaches that we are to go into our closet and make our requests known to God.
     
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    I read it 3 times before responding and just wanted to make sure I understood what you were talking about.

    I don't see why this is an unbiblical practice. Perhaps, as others have suggested, you can bring some Scripture to bear that supports your argument.

    Exactly right.

    How ironic.
     
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    What in the world could be wrong with just drawing attention to your own need for extra prayer. When these happen in our church, it just leads to a prayer along the lines of "God, bless Bro. Jakers and show your power in his life in a special way".
     
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    Please forgive me if I'm not supposed to respond here...

    (Cara: As a Catholic, you are not allowed to post in Baptist Only Forums. Thank you.)
     
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    Offer just one example of an unspoken prayer in scripture as how we are to pray.

     
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    Hello cara,
    no it does not. God has set how we are to pray and it does not include praying things we do not know what they are. That is how the cults pray. We are to aproach God with understanding and faith, not blindness and doubt.

     
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    Because it does not follow the prescribed manner of prayer. We are to pray with understanding, not empty meaningless prayers that will not or cannot be answered.

     
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    Show me a time of "prayer requests" in a church service in the NT.

    Show me a time a person sang a solo in church in the NT (a duet in prison is the closest thing I can find)

    Show me Wednesday evening services in the NT

    Show me using grape juice for communion in the NT

    show me an altar in the church in the NT

    Show me a choir in the NT

    Show me homecoming services in the NT

    Show me a church building in the NT

    Show me Pews in the NT

    Show me Sunday morning worship at 11 in the NT

    The path you are taking is scripturally dangerous...

    You are implying that anything that is not shown in scripture never happened... and that is simply not true.
     
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    Hello ccorbinson,
    Scripture teaches that we are to pray in faith, not doubt and blindness. I ask you to give one example of anyone praying for something that they did not know what it was. The reason you willnot find it is becauuse it would be sin.

     
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    "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." Matthew 6:5-6
     
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    The bible has many examples of prayer in it. You can serch them out yourself. However none of them is praying without knowing what they are praying foor. That would be sin and is sin.

     

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