Unsure what this means in relation to Catholiscm?

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  1. Ben W

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    In reading a news article linked below on the recent Papal visit to Germany the following was noted, just what is he on about? How are Christians to be devoted to the Virgin Mary?

    - "I am part of a movement for devotion to the Virgin Mary. We strictly follow the teachings of the Church. The Pope is right to warn against do-it-yourself religion, it should be all or nothing," said Nuno Gonzago, 20, from Portugal.

    http://www.tvnz.co.nz/view/page/425822/605822
     
  2. Matt Black

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    'υπερδουλια ( hyperdulia ) is the word used by Catholics and Orthodox re the 'BVM', which is NOT worship, but has more connotations of honouring and revering eg: American Christians often honour the memory of the likes of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln (although not necessarily on BB!) and the Founding Fathers.

    Matt
     
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    Not sure where this fits: Look at what the scripture says about "false gods" and "graven images".

    We are all guilty--some more than others.

    Man has a penchance to worship many things other than I AM that I AM.

    Man loves to worship himself--like his father, Satan.

    Selah

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  4. mioque

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    It would be interesting to know to which movement for devotion to the Virgin Mary, young mr. Gonzago belongs. There are a number of them.
     
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    We don't look to Abe or Washington to interceede on our behalf, we don't ask them to hear our prayers, we don't ask them to look kindly upon us, we don't say repetitious prayers while looking at their pictures, we don't believe they play any role in our salvation, so it can't be a fair comparison.
     
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    Not sure about Abe, but George Washington was a high-level Mason--a worshipper of GAOTU.
    He(George) was probably called "worshipful master" from time to time--only at the lodge of course.

    Wake Up call! The world is filled with pagan idolatry and spritual wickedness in high places--it goes back to Nimrod and his wife.

    Selah,

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    1 million Roman Catholics singing: "Jesus Christ, you are my life." and all we are talking about is that one fellow who said he was part of a movement devoted to you know who.
     
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    :confused: Because 1 mill people sing a song about Jesus means what? They are saved? They sing in tune? It was very loud? I don't follow....you can sing all of the songs in the world about Christ, but if your religion hinges on His earthly mother and good works, it means nothing.
     
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    Hey webdog

    I have just recently become aware of the perspecuity of your postings. You pack a lot into short posts.

    Keep on!
    Lloyd
     
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    ;) I hate typing! :D
     
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    webdog
    If one was to judge the state of Roman Catholicism purely by your posts, one would be amazed to find out that RC's sing about Jezus christ.
     
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    Mioque, by your posts I would assume that all catholics were saved. The quran and the hadith mentions Jesus Christ, too, what's your point?
     
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    Webdog
    "what's your point? "
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    That you apparently hate reading as much as typing.
    You have embarrassingly misread everything I've been [​IMG] .
    You and d28guy decided out of the blue that christian=Saved. No such thing.
    Expressions like Born Again Christian are there for a reason.
    Christian without any adjectives is much broader.
    Unsaved churchgoers who subscribe to the Apostles' Creed are also christians.
     
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    "but if your religion hinges on His earthly mother and good works, it means nothing. "
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    With a claim of 1 billion members, one can be certain of one thing, a lot of diversity.
    Millions of RC's are part of that denomination in name only.
    Millions of RC's are into a religion that hinges on Mary and good works.
    Millions of RC's are reasonably orthodox (possibly Saved) Christians.
    Ofcourse as a good baptist, I'm less than charmed about the sprinkling of water over baby's, about the view of Communion that could be described as 'ritual cannibalism' and the bones of dead saints lying around, but one can't expect perfection from non-baptists.
     
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    "it goes back to Nimrod and his wife."
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    The influence of Nimrod and his wife on religious issues doesn't exist outside the fevered imagination of the late Alexander Hislop and that of his fans.
     
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    Matt said...

    Ah, yes. Here come those little *word games* again.

    We also have an interesting word.

    Hogwash.

    It amazes me that Catholics expect thinking people to buy such nonsense.

    To Catholics, Mary is "Queen of the Universe". She performs miracles, grants visitations and gives apperitions. In the Rosary prayer repitition, there are 150 prayers to "Queen of the Universe" Mary, compared to a pitiful handfull to God. Millions cross land and sea year round to go to special Shrines devoted to the glorious wonders of Queen of the Universe Mary. There is a large worldwide Catholic organisation called "Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary."

    In many countries it is normal for a carved image of Mary, decked in glorious robes and a crown of gold, to be carried through the streets of the city as thousands are in rapturous exctacy singing her her praises.

    The very fact that Catholics worldwide are encouraged to pray at any time to Mary credits Mary with being omipresent, a quality that only God posesses.

    But of course...

    "We dont "worship" Mary,(wink) we call it by a "different* word!(wink)!"

    Nonsense. If I came up to someone and pointed a gun at them and killed them with a shot to the head, would I get off by telling the police...

    "Oh, but I didnt call it murder! I called it 'gobbledegoop'! See? I didnt "kill" anyone...I used a *different* word!"

    We dont pray to them, expect them to answer prayers, perform miracles from heaven, grant visitations, grant peace to us, grant comfort to us, give us guidance and streghth, from heaven, etc etc etc.

    We dont WORSHIP them as Roman Catholics clearly WORSHIP the sinner saved by grace Mary.

    Sadly,

    Mike
     
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    The Mormon Tabernacle Choir is a lovely thing to hear. The LDS consider themselves to be Christian--in fact, the only ones with authority.

    They are founded on a false prophet, preaching a false gospel. They have millions of proselytes--worldwide.

    Similar analogies can be drawn to the RCC.

    Now what?

    Selah,

    Bro. James
     
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  19. richard n koustas

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    I have a friend that is rc. he claims that he doesn't "pray" to, he just "talks" to her.
     
  20. mioque

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    Nothing wrong with talking to dead (or is the proper term in this case absent) people. If they start talking back than we should grow concerned.
     

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