USA involvement in WWII was unjust

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  1. Salty

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    To those who believe that the USA should not be involve in unjust wars - than I suggest when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, we should have immediately surrendered to the Empire. Think of the millions of lives that could have been save if we did not insist on fighting our way across the Pacific. There would have been no atomic bomb.

    Of course we never would have declared war on Germany. Then hundreds of German cities would have been spared destruction by our bombing

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    What is the definition of an "unjust war"?
     
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    I have heard people make an intriguing case for the European theater of war, I do not agree with it, but it is intriguing. But I am not sure at all how anyone could argue against our involvement in the pacific theater.
     
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    Surrender in either theater would have been a mistake. Surrendering to anyone bent on genocide will never save lives.
     
  5. Salty

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    Well, both the Japs and Germans surrendered - that saved a lot of lives
     
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    The difference is the character of the person or entity being surrendered to. That is why I included the qualifier in my statement. Surrendering to someone who abides by the Geneva Convention is not the same as surrendering to a sociopath like Hitler.
     
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    Japan surrendered because Truman used the bomb, twice.

    In doing so he saved perhaps millions of lives. The Japanese would not have quit fighting and dying until the Emperor told them to do so. The bombs brought that about, even though it is likely that the fire bombing of Tokyo took more lives.

    An older brother went through the Philippines campaign. His division was slated to be in the invasion of the Japanese homeland. When one considers how the Japs fought for Iwo Jima and Okinawa think how they would fight and die for mainland Japan. I for one applaud the decision of President Truman.

    I hope that if this country were ever invaded we would fight like the Japanese did but I doubt it. Prosperity has made us soft. People will sleep out for days to get the latest electronic device or buy a ticket to some concert but <profanity edited - LE changed to "complain"> if inconvenienced for any other reason! :tear::tear:
     
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    How soon we forget.
     
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    My uncle was at Iwo Jima and saw them raise the flag. One other uncle made my mom a bracelet out of a Jap zero. He said some of the guys were making bracelets out of their canteens and telling the people they made them out of a Jap zero but his was the real genuine thing. I have that bracelet. On it is sketched "Okinawa 1945."

    One uncle survived in the Pacific by hiding in a swamp, breathing through a reed, in order to not be discovered and tortured. It left its scars. He died at the young age of 42. Another cousin ended up blowing out his brains from what the war did to him. Nearly every male relative of mine on both sides of the family including my dad and brother have served this nation in one of the branches of service or intelligence, some in war time, others in "peace" times. Some fought in the Revolutionary War. Some in the Civil War. Some were lost. Some survived. Americans have always been known throughout history for our ruggedness, the ability to survive against all odds, for ingenuity, for greatness. I am proud of the legacy handed down to me by all who sacrificed for this nation.

    Unfortunately, I agree with you about the softness of Americans, maybe not of our generation but those younger, the "me first" generation. We all know who they are.... Right or wrong, we were a united country in WW2. The recent wars have been political ones, for the wrong reasons, IMO, not fought with the goal of winning, too many ROE that tie the hands of our troops, too much political correctness, too much nation building (who ever heard of building a nation before bringing it to its knees? Crazy, misguided, waste of American lives, limbs, and treasure, IMO).

    We are divided from within. I remember when Kruschev pounded his shoe on the desk and said he would bury us. How prophetic. And the Russians didn't even have to declare war on us, we have done it to ourselves at the ballot box and through corruption, electing socialists/communists to rule us. We are no longer E pluribus unum, out of many, one. We are too divided, from within and from without, too in debt, and we will fall. No foreign enemy need invade us. We already have enemies from within in the highest positions of power in our Land.

    :tear: :tear: :tear:

    well, enough of my sadness for today.... :tear:
     
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  10. preachinjesus

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    So who believes the US involvement in WW2 was unjust?

    If anything it was a just war in both theaters.
     
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    Japan bombs us, four days later Germany and Italy declares war on us, how could anyone say our involvement in WW2 was unjust?

    It was really stupid on the part of all the axis powers to bring the U.S. into the war. I'll never figure why Hitler would even think about declaring war on us, he had to be mad.
     
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    Though I would still posit that WW2 was a good example of a just war, there is a fascinating book out there called Back Dooor to War that expertly chronicles the efforts and plans FDR had to get the US into the war in both theaters as a means of finally getting the country out of the after-effects of the Great Depression and his (ultimately) destructive New Deal.

    I'm not saying I completely agree with the conclusions, but it is a well evidenced piece written not too long after Pearl Harbor I believe. Worth taking a look at it. If you take the author's word, it was a deliberate series of actions that drew the US into direct confict with the Axis powers. It would be on par, if not worse, than the Bush Administration's deceptions about the WMD threat in Iraq.

    Editted to add: here is a link to a PDF copy fo the book for free, http://mises.org/document/3130/Back-Door-to-War-The-Roosevelt-Foreign-Policy-19331941
     
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    Thanks for that link.
     
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    Sometimes common sense has to prevail. WW2 is distinctly different that any conflict since. First of all, for those that have bothered to read the Constitution, Congress declared war. Secondly, both Germany and Japan threatened our nation's very existence. It was not a war to further a politician's popularity, or to increase the proifts of a corporation, such as a helocopter company.

    I am not going to go through the dozens of conflicts since then, but surfice to say, in how many did Congress declare war, and how many did our survival as a nation depend?
     
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    Is "just war" equivalent to "just war fought by Christians?"
     
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    Hitler claimed to be a "christian."
     
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    So do most Baptists claim to be Christians. Doesn't prove anything.
     
  18. Salty

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    Was the the WAR of 1812 a "just war"?

    Was the country united in that conflict?

    Think about it for a minute - than check this link
     

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