USA Tortures Canadian

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  1. Magnetic Poles

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    Can there be any more doubt how evil the Bush regime actually is? We have become what we hated.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14897315/

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    I wonder if this is anything like the "korans"being flushed down the toilets. Yea lets get rid of the President and lets bring in another one who sopports the murder of unborn children. Like Kerry, Clinton, Gore and the like. Because that is so much better.
     
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    Sounds like their new campaign slogan:

    "Give Constitutional rights to everyone but American children. And let our soldiers die to protect everyone's freedom but ours."

     
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    Syria, huh?:rolleyes:

    Do you believe everything you read, MP?

    Or just the stories that advance your agenda?
     
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    How about we bring in another president who is pro-life but doesn't want to torture?
     
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    The USA did NOT torture the Canadian

    Magnetic Poles, did you even read the article you linked to? Even if the article is completely correct, the USA did not torture the man, Syria did. And Syria is the sworn enemy of the USA and a known supporter of terrorism!!

    GET REAL!!
     
  7. Magnetic Poles

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    You people are truly amazing. Christians supporting torture.

    Yes I did read the story. Obviously YOU DID NOT! The US grabbed the guy in NYC when he was changing planes. This is how the administration works...send him to another country where the CIA conducts the torture in secret.

    No matter what this administration does, you folks think it is alright. I doubt Jesus would condone this, and neither should we. It has nothing to do with abortion, as the derail attempt above tries to make it. I got a new flash for you...everything is NOT about abortion.

    I don't care what else, this is wrong, it is evil, and this nation has gone from a beacon of freedom to the biggest bully on the block. This makes me very ashamed and very sad. May God have mercy on this nation and its leaders for the crimes committed by those in power.
     
  8. Daisy

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    This is not a new story. The only thing new about this story is that the Canandian government contributed to this man's ordeal by wrongly telling the US government that he was a suspected terrorist when he had no terrorist ties whatsoever.

    This is the guy kidnapped by the US government and sent to CIA run secret camps for "questioning". This is one of the men who were tortured for nothing.

    This is the same guy I've been posting about linkie, another linkie, yet another linkie (yet this is still news to most of you). If you don't like this article, there are 308,000 more, spanning two and a half years. He has his own Wiki page (linkie) which dates back to March 2003.

    It may very well have been Syrians as Maher has or had dual Canadian-Syrian citizenship, but it was under CIA direction in a CIA camp - so blaming the hired hitmen is not much of a defense.

    Syria is not the sworn enemy of the USA. Just this week:
    We still have diplomatic relations - and they let us run torture camps there.:thumbsup: <----irony (for those who can't tell without a caption)
     
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    I think this one is getting all sorted out, at least in Canada. There is a federal court hearing, and some have suggested a financial recompense to help this chap get over what he has lost personally. Also, he will be exhonerated from all criminal charges.

    Nothing can restore what he suffered over that time, but nothing we can do will help that.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Questioned by CIA agents dressed in black with hoods?:laugh:

    I suppose they came in and announced, "We're CIA agents and we're gonna make you talk.":rolleyes:

    We're supposed to believe that only CIA guys can wear black hoods and speak English.:smilewinkgrin:

    Is there even the remotest chance this guy could be telling some wild ones?

    Not if you're a Bush hater, there's not.
     
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    Is there even the remotest chance this guy could be telling the truth?

    Not if your a Bush apologist, there's not.
     
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    We had an easier solution - we just denied him the right to sue (he first filed in January 2004) for damages because of "states secrets" privilege. Ha-haw, he can't touch us! <-- last sentence is sarcasm (for those of you who can't tell)

    Link to Source and Legal Documents
     
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    Canada, get with it! Just pass a law that he can't sue. Those Canucks just don't learn from our fine example, do they?
     
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    ****pssst: cognitive dissonance. The US is the best of all possible countries, so it never could have done such a thing, therefore, it didn't. Case closed. ****

    The US has admitted to taking him off the plane, holding him incognito on American soil for several days before "deporting" him to Syria (with assurances that he would not be tortured **wink, wink**). They have admitted that he was tortured in Syria. They got a confession out of him (that he trained with al Qaeda in Afghanistan, but that couldn't be used on the technicality that he had demonstrably never been to Afghanistan) Source: Congressional Record, Feb. 2004 (linkie)

    I'm not sure what else has been admitted and what's still being denied by the Bush admin. It was only recently that they've admitted to extraordinary renditions.
     
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    I remember the days when Christians supported this country and the enemy supported terrorism.

    Is torture wrong? That is a stupid question.

    But, is it equally wrong to assert that the USA did the torture when muslims did the torture? That is an equally stupid question.

    I remember the days when we did not need to address such stupid questions. Christians did not need the help of muslims stopping terrorism . . . the terrorism was done over there.

    I remember the days when non-Christians told the truth in America. I remember when being a godly man meant something in this country.

    I remember the days when all Christians knew that muslims would follow Mohamed through the gates into hell.

    We truly need a revival.
     
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    Questioned by CIA agents dressed in black with hoods?:laugh:

    I suppose they came in and announced, "We're CIA agents and we're gonna make you talk.":rolleyes:

    We're supposed to believe that only CIA guys can wear black hoods and speak English.:smilewinkgrin:

    Is there even the remotest chance this guy could be telling some wild ones?

    Not if you're a Bush hater, there's not.



    Certainly there is, but his story reeks with inplausibility.

    Yet you defend it as if there is no room for doubt.

    I'd like some proof. Anyone can make wild accusations.
     
  17. Daisy

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    Um, the Canadian government has admitted complicity with the US government in shipping him off to torture camps in Syria.

    You can argue the details, but much of this has been public record for months going on years now.

    You could click on some of the links and read them, but that would make your denial more difficult. For something like this, arguement by smilie is probably more appropriate for you.

    Certainly easier.
     
  18. Magnetic Poles

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    Let's follow the logic here . . .

    Let's say your wife is changing busses at a bus stop. I grab her and take her to a warehouse in some seedy side of town. I give her to a bunch of thugs, knowing that they will rape and abuse her. Am I not to blame? Am I not guilty?

    The fact is that people admit to anything to stop the pain. This happened in this case. It happens here in police interrogations. The info gained is meaningless, and we end up siding with evil.
     
  19. Daisy

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    I think your analogy is flawed. "I give her to a bunch of thugs, knowing that they will rape and abuse her" should read "I pay a bunch of thugs to get her to sign a confession, knowing of their eagerness raping and abusing other women, all of whom eventually confessed".

    Remember, Maher's confession was impossible to have been true.
     
  20. Magnetic Poles

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    Good point! That makes the analog almost perfect!
     

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