Valparaiso Leaders Repent for Blasphemous Service

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  1. John Gilmore

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    See link to AP News item [ http://www.indystar.com/print/articles/7/079004-7917-127.html ]

    The worship of idols inside a chapel dedicated to the worship of the one true God is blasphemy! I am glad the leadership of Valparaiso has repented of their sin.
     
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    The worship of idols inside a chapel dedicated to the worship of the one true God is blasphemy! I am glad the leadership of Valparaiso has repented of their sin. </font>[/QUOTE]How do you get the impression that the Jews and Muslims are worshiping "idols?" :confused:

    It apprears to me that they haven't come to the realization that Jesus Christ is "The God" of the universe, which came to Earth in the form of a man.

    I don't see any idols....just confusion. ;)

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    I see another idol. Not Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Not Jesus Christ, true God eternally begotten of the Father and true man made of a woman made under the law.

    [ September 30, 2003, 01:07 PM: Message edited by: John Gilmore ]
     
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    I see another idol. Not Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Not Jesus Christ, true God eternally begotten of the Father and true man made of a woman made under the law. [/QB][/QUOTE]

    ** John, what 'idol' do you see?

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    It seems they apologized to the LCMS for their actions, but they did not apologize for their actions in general. IE, sorry that the LCMS was offended, but not necessarily sorry for performing the action. At least, that is what I derive by your wording (or it allows that interpretation to follow). Just a thought.
     
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    You may be right. I put the best construction on Paul Maier's statement, "The defendants expressed sincere repentance for the wrong that they did in authorizing and conducting the service." Repentance should mean confessing sin not simply apologizing for causing offense.
     
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    This one: It apprears to me that they haven't come to the realization that Jesus Christ is "The God" of the universe, which came to Earth in the form of a man.


     
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    So are you in agreement with the Muslims that Jesus Christ is just another prophet, a good man, a created being just like any other man.
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    So are you in agreement with the Muslims that Jesus Christ is just another prophet, a good man, a created being just like any other man.
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    </font>[/QUOTE]I would think by now, DHK, that you would know better than to ask that question. [​IMG]

    I quoted, in the post above, that Jesus Christ is "THE GOD" of the universe. I know He was more that just another prophet, a good man, or that He was created.

    [Deleted link to non-Trinitarian website. MEE, you are free to discuss your personal beliefs here in the Other Religions/Doctrines Section. Therefore, you may summarize or state what doctrines you personally hold. However, per the posting rules of the BaptistBoard.com you have agreed that you will not post links in our message boards that try to persuade others against Christianity. The link you posted supports Modalism. Modalism is an old heresy that rejects orthodox Christian Trinitarian Monotheism. Again, you may discuss such beliefs in this section of the BB; however, you may not post links to websites that support such beliefs. In His Service, BibleboyII, Moderator.]

    Maybe this link will help some understand the three manifestations of God.

    MEE [​IMG]

    [ October 03, 2003, 02:42 AM: Message edited by: BibleboyII ]
     
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    MEE,

    You also agree that you will not post links in our message boards that try to persuade others against Christianity.
    BaptistBoard.com Posting Rules

    Your heresy is not new. It's called "Modalistic Monarchianism."

    [ October 01, 2003, 12:50 PM: Message edited by: John Gilmore ]
     
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    The last time I looked this section of the Baptist Forum says, "Christian DEBATE Forums (All Christians) Other Religions/Doctrines." I am a Christian! More so than you know. [​IMG]

    I wasn't trying to persuade anyone. Like you say the belief of "One God" is not a new thing. [​IMG]

    Don't you believe in "One God?"

    I think we are a little off topic here. So you all get back to the subject of Muslims and Jews worshiping "idols." :eek:

    Shakes head as I walk away! :confused:

    MEE

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    Dear Brothers in Christ:

    A few months ago the case brought by several complainants against those who organized and authorized an interfaith prayer service in the Chapel of the Resurrection at Valparaiso University was appealed to the Praesidium of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. After discussion with the District President of the Indiana District, expressing the need for a clearer resolution to the matter, President Sims provided the Praesidium with further clarity concerning the response of the defendants (sic) to his discussion with them and his findings in the case:

    On the basis of President Sims' most recent clarifications, the Praesidium voices the following understanding concerning the case brought against those who authorized, organized and conducted the interfaith prayer service held on September 11, 2002.

    --The service that took place was indeed worship of a unionistic and syncretistic nature. Thus, the charges of the complainants were upheld by President Sims who has stated, "I found in favor of the complainants (there was worship and syncretism involved)."

    --The defendants expressed sincere repentance for the wrong that they did in. authorizing and conducting the service. President Sims has reported, "I received that repentance verbally in the presence of Reverend Dan May, and Reverend Mark Ptlughoeft (two of my vice presidents) and I received it in writing."

    The Praesidium considers this matter to have been concluded and can now report that those, who provided a setting within which blasphemy was uttered and syncretistic worship occurred, have repented of their wrong. It is a genuine blessing when Christian admonition results in repentance and restoration.

    The Praesidium urges all within our Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod to continue to honor our Scriptural doctrine and practice of fellowship in our walk together in order that our Triune God may be glorified and the Gospel of Jesus Christ be proclaimed clearly throughout the world.

    Dr. Paul L. Maier,

    Secretary, LCMS Praesidium
     

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