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  1. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    I've been trying for months to get a simple answer to this.

    AV1611 folks claim that God's preserved His Word through the translation committee.

    My question, why did He not preserve His Word once it was in the hands of the typesetters and printers since He wanted us to have His perfect word in English?
     
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    They don't have a real answer. [​IMG]
     
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    I really don't expect to see an answer just because this question is in its own thread now.

    It my simple mind it seems they are saying that it took God 158 years to get it right.
     
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    At least you're putting the ball in the KJVOs' court again. But please don't hold your breath waiting for a sensible answer; you're liable to become somewhat cyanotic...
     
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    All Arguments by KJVO's in favor of KJVOism basically amount to this:

    "I'll believe what I choose to believe regarding the King James Version of the Bible being the only acceptable translation of God's Word in the English language, despite the fact that there is no Scriptural basis for this belief. If you must insist on pressing me for Biblical support for my belief, I'll be more than happy to rip a few select verses completely out of their context, and skew & distort their true meaning in a futile effort to back up my claims. In my world 2 + 2 = 43, and no one's going to convince me otherwise. Please don't try to sway me with any actual facts, thank you very much!"
     
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    I'm not even asking for Bible reasons - just if God was powwerful enough to protect His Word from the guys who set the type?
     
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    Since I don't know of any KJBO people left here, I will answer the best I can.

    I DON'T KNOW.

    Just like I don't know why we don't have the originals or even the original Ten Commandents.

    But I'm sure you all have scholaric answer.
     
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    I do thank you for your honesty, Homebound.

    It is a rare gift in some circles.

    Does anyone have an answer for me?
     
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    I'm going to bed. Maybe somebody will help Brother HomeBound out with this one.
     
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    Hiya broHomeBound! [​IMG] Yup! I R still around here...been playing alot of games, as it seems to keep me outta trouble, usually. :rolleyes:

    First of all, I don't understand terms like AV1611, etc...I just simply have a Bible. Nothing fancy, don't even have a concordance or sidenotes, other than the ones I've written all these many years. As a matter of fact, it's been like a diary to me.

    BroHomeBound, why do some of these folks have all these hard questions? Do they really want an answer or are they just poking fun at us? :confused: The funny thing is, it don't bother me one bit.

    I'm so fully satisfied in what I believe & Who I believe, yet there's nothing I can say or do to make 'em understand. I guess it's something they gotta work on by themselves. No one but the Lord ever helped me. ;)

    I never had all them books they talk about, nor did I know all these people they mention from time to time. But yet, I am of this "court", PTL! Imagine that! [​IMG]

    Guess I don't have a real answer, so the ONLY way that I can say this is, whatever my Bible came from is the one Bible the Lord would have me to use. All those others may be right some of the time, but mine is right all of the time.

    Yup, it's full of typos, just as the earlier ones prolly were...but the meaning isn't changed & I've never had a hard time understanding a single word.
     
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    Granny, you are a dear soul, who could argue against your sublime reasoning?
    But don't forget, you are exactly the kind of person men like Wycliff gave their life first in the pursuits of scholarship and then in the flames of the Church of Rome to bring you the Word of God in your own language.

    He was part of the heritage of martyr's blood that led to the King James Bible.

    HankD
     
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    Even words like, "besom", "bruit", and "tabering"? my you are more intelligent than the rest of us (most). I had to look up in my MV to know what those words really mean in 2004. ;)
     
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    Awww, Orvie, don't go bothering Granny.

    Why don't you go throw some darts at your picture of Precepts? That always makes you feel better...
     
  14. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Ah Granny,

    You know me now. I would never poke fun at you. I am really looking for an answer to this one.
     
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    I think granny is right. You folks don't really want answers, ya'll jes wanna show off how smart you think you are.
    OTH I am simply a one bible man.
    Jim
     
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    Jim,

    It is unfair to attack my motives.

    Even if that were the case are we not supposed to "be ready always to give an answer of the hope that is within us?" If one's hope is based on a particular Bible version I would think he should be able to give full reasons for that hope.
     
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    Okay now...let's see if this works: I've got myself a fine mister who's been the love of my life for 40 years. We only knew each other(as in talking), for 3 weeks when we got hitched. Yes he's a keeper; even tho' we've had some awful times & some great times, we're still together.

    I've seen some finer-looking fellows come along over the years, but I wasn't ever *curious* enough to ditch him & go check them out. Just like my Bible. It's the ONLY one I've ever used, looked at, feasted on, or trusted in. When you've got the BEST, why try all the rest?

    Now if you asked this old woman to give reasons for why I feel this way about the old man, I'd do the very best I could to explain it, and you'd prolly accept my explanation, right?

    But yet, when I & all the others who have come & gone on here, do the same thing about why they believe & trust their Bible---and btw, I've never had a problem understanding where they're coming from---anyway, noone accepts their plain & simple truth. I could ask, "why is that?", but I already know the answer. [​IMG]

    BroRP, I really hope you'll get the answer you're seeking & perfect peace will follow. This is what I have & it is truly sooo sweet. ;)

    Hiya av1611jim! [​IMG] How goes the battle? Good to see you're still around. [​IMG]
     
  18. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Granny,

    I have no problem with you holding to the Bible you truly love and not looking for anything else. That is wonderful.

    I love my KJ Bible, but don't accept that God supernaturally intervened on behalf of the translating committee and that is the source of my question. If He did that, why did it not do the same for the typesetters?
     
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    No one has a problem understanding where you're coming from, Granny, because you are sharing your heart. You grew up on the King James, it is the only bible you have ever used, and you love it. No problem understanding any of that.

    But then there are those who come storming in here, telling us that unless we "got saved" through the preaching of the AV1611 we're "goin' straight to hay-ell". Or if we read anything other than "God's only Bible" we are totally lost and without Christ.

    For one, none of them use or read a 1611KJV. Every one of them use a revision of the 1611 (sure would be honest of them to actually say that, instead of screaming all that 1611 nonsense).

    Second, all they have is their claim to back up the notion that the KJV is God's only bible. Don't get me wrong, I love the KJV. It is God's word, and it has His truth. But so does a multitude of other translations available.

    The King James is not inspired, in and of itself. It is a translation of a assembled manuscript that was compiled from various sources (and there is nothing wrong with that, unless you try to say that Erasmus was inspired, or the KJV translators were inspired). But the KJV ITSELF was not "God-breathed", the original manuscripts were.

    So, Granny, what I'm trying to say is this: We (I) understand where you are coming from, and you are absolutely right. Your bible is just that, YOUR BIBLE. Ain't nothing wrong with that at all. And nobody can, or should, try to tell you different.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
  20. Ed Edwards

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    The problem is communication.
    If one cannot or will not prepare communications
    which someone else can understand, then
    onemmunicates Only ONE's IGNORANCE.

    The term "AV1611" means what?
    Unless you and i agree, we really are not
    communicating.

    BTW, most people are ignornat about
    the meaning of "ignorant". "Ignorant"
    means "not knowing". "Ignorant" is NOT
    a judgemental term, it just means you
    don't know. For example, I don't know
    (am ignorant of) what kind of Bible you have.
    Personally I've got half a dozen Bibles
    on my computer desk alone (more in
    my Libray) that say "King James Version",
    and some that say "Authorized Version (AV).

    These books are DIFFERENT from each other.

    One of these books, doesn't even bother
    to tell the derivation of the book so one
    can determine what kind of a King James
    Version it might be. I've found most often
    these deceptive books are American rip-offs
    of the AUTHORIZED BY THE ANGICLAN CHURCH
    KJV1762 Edition or the AUTHORIZED BY THE
    ANGLICAN CHURCH KJV1769 Edition.
    These are NOT to be confused with books
    that i have which are facimilies of the
    AUTHORIZED BY KING JAMES KJV1611 Edition.
    Both these books are still availabe
    to be bought in the USofA, to those who
    want to read what the first King James Version
    Bible was really like.

    I was in Software Quality Control for some
    12 years. I assured that what was given to
    the customer was the same exact software
    (comptuer instructions) about which they
    had said they required, about which we
    discussed the details, about which we wrote
    many documents. For if there is a switch,
    then the software is CORRECT.

    The printers in the USA who were NOT authorized
    by the Crown of England usually had poor
    quality control. I.E. (in other word)
    the quality control of the KJVs in the
    USofA was very poor. I am surprised if any
    two of us have the same exact KJV as
    the other (exclusive of our own margin notes).

    [​IMG] - both feet on the ground,
    only one hand raised praisin' the Lord Smilie
     

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