The group of pastors I meet with each month has proposed this for our next topic...So I thought I'd get a head start and see what you all thought. TOPIC: Vision (church vision or pastoral vision) -Biblically, Does a church or pastor need a vision? -Is this a vision that all churches/pastors share - found in the Bible? -Should a church/pastor have a unique vision for his own church distinct from what other churches would have? -John Piper's title is "Pastor for Preaching & Vision"; should each church have a pastor who focuses on vision? In contrast to John Piper's obvious support for the idea of pastors leading with vision, consider this quote from Bonhoeffer: "God Hates visionary dreaming; it makes the dreamer proud and pretentious. The man who fashions a visionary ideal of community demands that it be realized by God, by others, and by himself...when things do not go his way, he calls the effort a failure. When his ideal picture is destroyed, he sees the community going to smash. So he becomes, first an accuser of his brethren, then an accuser of god, and finally the despairing accuser of himself. WHAT SAY YOU?