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Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by C.S. Murphy, Feb 8, 2003.

  1. C.S. Murphy

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    Do you feel we will attack Saddam and if so when?
    My wife feels that if so our enemys will take this occasion to attack us within our borders, what do you think?
    Murph
     
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    I think we will begin the war within 2 weeks, unless Saddam is overthrown or steps down.


    http://www.msnbc.com/news/870219.asp?0cv=CB10

    New intelligence reports that point to the possibility of multiple, imminent attacks by Al Qaeda against Jewish groups and Jewish-owned businesses in the U.S.

    By Michael Isikoff and Daniel Klaidman
    NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE

    Feb. 7 — The Bush administration raised the national threat alert from “yellow” to “orange” Friday after receiving new intelligence reports that pointed to the possibility of multiple imminent attacks by Al Qaeda against Jewish groups and Jewish-owned businesses inside the United States, NEWSWEEK has learned.
     
  3. go2church

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    Yes, we are going to war, no doubt about it. For 12 years S.H. has "snubbed' all treaties, nothing is going to change at the last minute.

    Yes, there will attacks here in the US, but fear of what evil MIGHT do is never, ever, never a good reason NOT to do the right thing. If it is the right thing to do then it must be done.

    Now the debate moves to if it is the right thing to do.......WELLLL?
     
  4. Dr. Bob

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    Slick tried to gut the military and portray a "weak sister" appearance of the USA. No wonder Saddam has no respect (or fear) for us.

    Wonder if Hitler could have been stopped before WWII if Chamberlain had built up forces and threatened him rather than just capitulating to his demands and declaring "peace in our times".

    Think W and our allies HAVE learned something from history . . .
     
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    You know it sure is funny that France is still not on-board with taking action against S.H. However, it is not the first time they have baulked when the chips were down.

    Back in the 1930's when Hilter was breaking all the treaties that ended WWI, France knew full well what he was doing. Yet, they waited to see what would happen. They just acted as if Hitler had not really done anything too bad. They kept up the false idea that they did not have enough proof that Hilter was building up his military forces.

    The French military alone could have stopped Hitler in his tracks if they had acted soon enough. However, they kept looking for that "smoking gun." Well they sure got the proof they were looking for when Hitler rolled across their country in a matter of just a few days and captured Paris! So do we really want to follow their lead regarding S.H.? I think not. ;)
     
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    If the US attacks Iraq then it is obvious that the Iraqies will retalliate .. would not the US? or any other country.

    As to weather the US will attac, most probably, gone too far to do otherwise without loss of face, so we will have loss of life instead.

    If we truly belive God is soverign, and holds all governments in His hand, why don't we pray rather than arm?

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    Do you think that if we do not invade Iraq, the Iraqi army will roll across America? What France did, as dumb as it might have been, has no bearing on this conflict.

    I am not necessarily against the upcoming war; I do question, however, some of what President Bush stated as reasons to invade. Somewhere in the back of my mind is the thought that oil might have something to do with this conflict. I hope I am wrong.
     
  8. go2church

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    Control of natural resources has been a major reason for war in the past. Don't think it's a bad thing to actually go to war for oil. That is if we didn't have any of our own!!! If we weren't so tied up with enviromental wackiness here we could drill our own oil and tell the Middle East thanks, but no thanks. To go to war over oil when have our own is just....well greedy.
     
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    We've already been attacked within our borders, and we didn't threaten with war at that time.
     
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    If todays date were 8/11/01, and this was Afghanistan being threatened, don't you think the same reaction would occur? We can't see the future, yet the threat is real. Sometimes we have to do what is right, even if we don't like it.
     
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    That is the question, What is right?
     
  12. Timothy Bonney

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    Its a big question. Usual understandings of just war theory don't allow for attacking first unless you can show that you are on the verge of being attacked.

    Saddam, devil that his is, didn't seem to have any plans to directly attack the US before the President started this confontation.

    I still have questions about the real reasons for the first gulf war. I can sure see that Saddam is our enemy now. I've not heard any compelling reasons for our rescuing Kuwait.

    Could it all be about the oil?

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    Dr. Bob, that is a sad attack on Mr. Chamberlain, who returned to England knowing that we were not prepared for war. He did say "peace in our time" and he was buying time for England to prepare. Factories were immediately being prepared under that same Chamberlain. Munitions and war machines were immediatelt put under construction and the people were being prepared.

    How soon you forget that it was your president who said Hitler was doing a "great" thing for Germany in rebuilding the nation after the Great Depression. It was your president who refused to commit to do battle over the German atrocities in all of Europe.

    Let's not castigate an innocent man. And let's us not forget it was England and the Empire that stood against Hitler and his goons two years before America lifted a finger,,,,and then only because she was attacked by Japan.

    God save the Queen. I was there!

    Cheers,

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    I read a report recently that accused France of having far more devious motives. The article said that France has been a passive and perhaps active participant in radical Muslims' quests for weapons and technology.

    France has long sold weaponry to Arabic nations. This report asserts that France is afraid of what will be found if we actually find Iraq's weapons.
     
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    I heard that the preeminent philosopher Jay Leno said something to the effect that we shouldn't expect France to help us drive Saddam out of Baghdad; after all, they didn't help us drive Hitler out of Paris.

    While war is never desired nor pretty, this seems to me eerily similar to history. We have a maniacal dictator pursuing ruthless power and persecuting his own people including ethnic groups. We will likely never know the cost or benefit of doing what we do not decide to do. We will only know the results of the choice we make. If we go, we better do it wholeheartedly and do it all. Leave no stone unturned.

    Whether oil is a factor or not is irrelevant. However, that is not a negative reason. Oil is a staple of this world and if a large part of it is controlled by a madman, there are ramifications that we don't want to think about, IMO.
     
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    C.S. Murphy asked: "Do you feel we will attack Saddam and if so when?"

    Yep and soon, if Bush gets his way.

    Homeland Security has the U.S. on a high level of alert now, which could be a hint we are going to attack soon.

    Rufus :(
     
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    rufus, are you not for the war? You put it as though Bush is just wanting his way!

    We are Chirstains and need not fear war; we must do the right thing, saving these people and our own people for this man if possible. [​IMG]
     
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    Sounds accurate to me.
     
  19. go2church

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    I don't want war, not one little bit!
    I don't want S.H., not one little bit!
    Blessed are the peacemakers
    The power of the sword belongs to the government
    This is a very difficult situation, I simply pray for that Lord will will have mercy on President Bush, S.H., the soldiers, the Iraqi people, those who agree with the coming war and those who don't. LORD HAVE MERCY ON US ALL!
     
  20. Dr. Bob

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    You see it your way, I'll see it mine. I try not to rewrite history into somehow justifying the words and actions of Chamberlain. American history viewpoint makes him look like a great fool.

    Thanks for sharing your perspective. Still doesn't excuse his words, but does explain some possible motivation.

    Dr. "I have no king but Jesus" Bob [​IMG]
     

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