Was Christ slain before the foundation of the World ?

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    Rev 13:8

    8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    Was Christ slain before the foundation of the World for those He was slain for ? Yes, Christ was slain before the foundation by the Purpose and Decree of God; and so Peter writes that He was foreordained before the foundation of the world 1 Pet 1:20

    20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you [The Elect 1 Pet 1:2],

    Now for this to be True, then also True was the imputation of the sins of those He was slain for by that same Decree and Purpose of God, and if this be True, then it must be admitted that in the Decree and Purpose of God, there was no sin imputed to the Elect for whom He was slain before the foundation of the world, if that is True, when did God ever impute sin to the charge of His Elect Rom 8:33 in His Decree and Purpose ? Rom 8:33

    33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

    And if God never in His Decree and Purpose imputed sin to the Charge of His Elect, then when were they never Justified by Him in His Decree and Purpose ?
     
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    Yes. The linear concept of time is a modern invention. A circular concept is traditional. Me, I'm not sure that time exists except as something that clocks measure. In either case, the concept of "present" doesn't quite compute. The present is actually "Planck time."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_time

    Is "happen" a process or an event?
     
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    When someone comes to a scripture that is hard to understand and troubling them, try reading the scripture from a variety of Bible translations.

    Revelations 13:8 is also translated as saying, “All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast---all whose names have not been written from the creation of the world in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain.
     
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    Was Christ slain before the foundation of the World ?


    Now concerning this Eternal Decree and Purpose of God ! All things were a present before God, before they had existence in time in regards to us, as creatures of time, but God is not a creature of time, remember that Ps 50:21 ! All things that are a Divine Purpose and Decree for us in time, they are a Present reality to God, all things are a completed present to Him, as Christ slain for His People before the foundation of the world, for He calleth things which are not [ not yet in time] as though they were [already completed in time] Rom 4:17

    17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

    What is actually done with us in time, was already a True Present Reality with God before time, who is outside of time, and not included in time , though His Power actualizes the occurrences of Time !
     
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    God made the plan for salvation before the creation of the world. Jesus was not crucified until he was on earth as a man and crucified.

    Again, read other Bible translations in your studies. You can keep your favorite Bible version, but please do more studying. If you have the Holy Spirit that is, or else no amount of studying can keep you out of false doctrines. I want to say, you sure come up with some unsound thinking.
     
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    God knew that I would be saved, as he determined to base it upon the work of the Cross of Christ, but NOT until the Lord was received by faith in him was my name written in book of life...

    there is still a direct causel effect, as faith is access to that effectual grace that God provided for His elect in Christ!
     
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    Was Christ slain before the foundation of the World ?



    Christ's death before the foundation of the world [In Purpose] did have Saving virtue in the beginning of the world, and all time before the cross, so it was the blood of the Everlasting Covenant- So this because of a Everlasting Covenant made before time between the Father and the Son, that in time He should be slain Acts 2:23,but the merits of that death would always be before the view of the Fathers law and justice from Eternity, and that it would be for proper payment for all whom He agreed to die for in time, in all generations up to the very end of the world ! And so all the Elect of God of Old had Faith in the blood of the One who was revealed that He should come, the Seed of the Woman, should come in the Flesh [ 1 Jn 4:2]and lay down His Life for Many Isa 53:10-12, That He would bare their sins, He was that Shiloh to come for the Gathering of the People Gen 49:10

    The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. cp Jn 11:52

    And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

    He was set forth in types and sacrifices to birth faith in His Blood Rom 3:24-25

    24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

    25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

    And so He is the same Jesus, the Mediator of the Covenant, pacted from Everlasting, The same Yesterday [OT] Today [NT] and forever; and furthermore He has always bee the Way [To God] the Truth, and the Life Jn 14:6, and none came to God the Father[in any age] but by Him, Peter brings that out here 1 Pet 1:20-21

    20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

    21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

    The Old Testament Saints Believed in the Resurrection of Christ, God taught it to Abraham by figure with Isaac Heb 11:17-19


    17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

    18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

    19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

    All the OT Saints could only find Grace with God as He viewed them through the virtues of His Son's Death, that was to come, but done already in the Covenant Purpose from the foundation of the World !
     
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    Was Christ slain before the foundation of the World ?

    Did Christ actually die in time ? Yes He did, but please Know, this same Death in time which did actually occur by the hands of the jews Jn 19:11

    Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.” Jesus means the jews who conspired and handed Jesus over to The Roman Government, their sin is Greater !

    The Lord Jesus Christ did not die actually before the world began, even though, that perspective does not count for God, because Again, All to His actual Being is an Abiding Present, but for us, that is not the case. Yes, we could say that as Far as God is concerned, and His Eternal Perspective and His Divine Purpose, Christ died before the World Began ! You see, what can be actual to God, cannot be actual to us ! Thats one of His Great attributes that seperates God from His creatures !
     

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