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No, by my judgment Scripture is correct. I was making a point.

"Hours" did not mean to the Jew what they mean to us. They are, first of all, estimates of daylight. These are then divided by 12. Every day changes in length but there are always 12 hours.

BUT if one cannot divorce "hours" from "60 minutes" then they cannot come to terms with a Jewish day.

 

I think I have your date - 30 AD? Wendsday being the Nisan 14?

What I am missing is the additional Sabbath that fell on the Sabbath following Jesus' crucifixion.

Also, why was finding a tomb nearby, and the delay in the women's preperation, necessary because of the Sabbath?

Also....wouldn't that put the crucifixion on Thursday.....a Sabbath - not the weekly Sabbath but the day of the Holy Assembly which is a Sabbath (Nisan 15)?

Leviticus 23:6–7 ‘Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. ‘On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.

 

@37818 ,

We can dismiss a few dates for Christ's death and burial.

It cannot be 15 or 21 Nisan because these were set aside as Sabbaths (for holy convocation, no work was to be done).

The crucifixion would have occurred before 15 Nisan to avoid occurring during the festival (all four gospels, I think, mention this for the priests feared the crowd).

So we are looking for a date before 15 Nisan but one where the Sabbath following Christ's death falls also on a holy day.

The only one I can think of around the Passover would be 15 Nisan falling on a Saturday. 21 Nisan, with a 20 crucifixion, would be too late.

 

Yep.

My question is about a couple of issues.

How do you get around 15 Nisan being a holy day?

The Jews were prohibitted from any work on 15 Nisan. It was set aside as a Sabbath, a holy convocation, in the Law.

How do you account for the Sabbath being also a "high day" without the 15th of Nisan (or another day set aside by the Law for a holy assulembly)?

The reason I believe the 15th fell on a Sabbath is that John tells us the upcoming Sabbath was also a "high day". There were two of these around Passover (15 Nisan and 21 Nisan).

You serm to be ignoring that the 15th was set aside for a holy assembly which woukd have prohibited the crucifixion and burial to have occurred. It simply cannot be the 15th.

How do you account for Scripture stating that the Jews were going to exercise their plot outside of the festival time (before or after15th-21st to prevent a riot)?


I do not see how your timeliness is possible.

Your biggest problem is you jabe the crucifixion falling on a day set aside as a Sabbath (on the 15th) .

The second issue is you have the crucifixion set on a date all four gospels state it wouldn't occur (during the festival itself).

Lastly, you call the Sabbath a high Sabbath but do not provide a reason (it would be a Sabbath and a high day....a "double Sabbath"....if on the 15th or 21st).

 

Returned from where they were staying for the festival. Apparently not very far.

Remember, the 15th was set aside as Sabbath. So it would have been a special Sabbath (the 7th day of the week AND the 15th of Nisan.

 

Yes. It is a "double Sabbath". My point is that this accounts for John telling is that the Sabbath after the crucifixion was also a high day.

What other high day (other than 15 Nisan) could have fallen on that Sabbath???

It can't just be a day during the Feast. It has to be one of two days - 15th or 21st - because those are the Holy assemblies. It can't even be Passover itself.

If God intervened then why would He tell us in all gospels that they were not going to kill Him during the Feast?

Regardless, you have the Crucifixion landing on a day it could not occur regardless of the day of the week. It cannot be 15 Nisan.

 

I don't know why He chose the 14th.

As far as days go, there are Biblical examples that 3 days and 3 nights do not mean complete days and nights.

Ester's fast for 3 days and 3 nights is a good example. It would not be 3 days and 3 nights using your method. But the Bible says it was 3 days and 3 nights, so your method can't be correct.

And by your example the darkness that came could mark another day (on the cross).

They needed watches, right?.

More importantly is that we have to rely on how these things were interpreted in the 1st Century as it was a sign for them.

 

I dont think so.

The Sabbath would have started at twilight on Friday.

Friday before twilight is a night-day

Saturday from twilight fright to sundown Saturday is noght,day.

Sunday from twilight Saturday to Sunday early morning while still dark is a night-day.

 

Again, it wasn't. You are misleading the text.

In the evening of 14 Nisan the Passover was killed. This would be around 2pm. The pasdover would be sacrificed around 3 pm. Evening would come around sunset (and this is when Jesus arrived with the Twelve). After the meal Jesus went to the Garden. He was arrested. Early in the morning (probably still dark...like when Mary went to the tomb early in the morning when it was still dark) the Counsel met. Jesus was presented around 9 am.

Jesus was crucified on 14 Nisan and buried in a nearby tomb because the next day was a high day Sabbath (a "double sabbath"....Saturday and 15 Nisan).


What you seem unable to grasp is that it is impossible that the crucifixion occur on 15 Nisan. This was a '
"Sabbath" and the priests were otherwise involved. No work could be done.

 

Actually. I don't.

When we look at the Law we see that the Passover is killed and then sacrificed on 14 Nisan. When the evening has come the Jews take the meal. On 15 Nisan the priests are engaged as this is a holy assembly. There is no work done.

Then we go to the 1st Century. Here Mark tells us that the Passover is killed on the first day of unleavened bread.

This is not at all what the Law states.

BUT we know that the Jews had come to observe 8 days for the Pasdover-Feast of unleavened bread (the meal on the 1st day and the Feast starting the second).

Now, this is what we kown from extrabinlical 1st Century accounts. But what about Biblical accounts?

We know this from Mark (the Passover being killed on the 1st day of unleavened bread) and from Luke (equating "Passover" with "unleavened bread").

If we want to get nick picky, the Passover is the first day of unleavened bread (the Feast woukd start on the 15th and unleavened bread starts on the 14th).


You do seem not to understand exactly why the Crucifixion could not have occurred on 15 Nisan regardless of year.

The reason is that the Jews held a holy assembly on that day, it was a type of Sabbath (a day set aside as a holy convocation, no work was to be done).

Another reason is that the gospels explain why the priests did not arrest and kill Jesus during the feast.


The reason I say that you do not understand this is you have continued to post that Chrust was crucified on 15 Nisan.

You do not seem to understand why this is impossible.