Was peter Teaching isreal To Be Blessed In Futire in Acts 3?

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  1. Yeshua1

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    That Gos did not cut off isreal and cast her aside fully in AD 70, as many here seem to think?

    17 “Now, fellow Israelites, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your leaders. 18 But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Messiah would suffer. 19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, 20 and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. 21 Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. 22 For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. 23 Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people.’[a]

    24 “Indeed, beginning with Samuel, all the prophets who have spoken have foretold these days. 25 And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, ‘Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.’ 26 When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways.”

    Acts 3"17-26 Nasb
     
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    "the twelve" (and those Jews that followed) continued preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom at least until 70AD.
    Meanwhile, in Acts 9, Paul was selected by God to be the Apostle to the Gentiles.
    To Paul was revealed the "mystery" - which was not in the Old Testament - that Gentiles could
    be saved by Grace alone, completely outside of Judaism, and they would be part of a heavenly calling
    called the Body of Christ.

    PS: the Gospel of the Kingdom will once again be preached... by Jews during the Tribulation, to fulfill the great commission.
     
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    God cut Israel off before the crucifixion actually occurred. I use large print for those who have difficulty reading Scripture!

    Matthew 22:42-45
    42. Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
    43. Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
    44. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
    45. And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
     
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    OK so are you saying that prior to the cross, a person was saved by being a Jew? Or by living the lifestyle of a Jew? Or something else?
     
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    There is only one Gospel, the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    Romans 1:16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    Paul preached the same Gospel that Jesus Christ preached, the same Gospel that Peter preached, the same Gospel that was preached to Abraham. Any other Gospel is heretical and it is a blasphemous lie to claim there is another Gospel! Scripture says of those who preach another Gospel:

    Galatians 1:6-9
    6. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
    7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
    8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
    9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
     
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    What word has God, (the Father of Jesus) sent to us?

    God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Hebrews 1:1,2

    How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. Hebrews 2:3-5

    Let's look into this first spoken that concerns great salvation and has to do with the world to come.

    The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; Acts 10:36,37

    God (the Father of Jesus) sent this word by Jesus, his Son, to the children of Israel and it was first spoken in Galilee after the baptism which John preached. Is the following the same?

    Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, Mark 1:14

    Is the kingdom of God the word God sent to be spoken by his Son, Jesus? Is it great salvation? Does it concern the world to come?

    Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Luke 11:2

    Is the kingdom of God the gospel of Jesus Christ?

    The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; Marl 1:1

    Did God (the Father of Jesus) send it by Jesus, his Son, and therefore is the kingdom of God the gospel of God?

    Did Paul preach this same gospel everywhere he went?

    And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more. Acts 20:25
    Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him. Acts 28:31

    What is those things concerning Jesus? Can flesh and blood inherit the kingdom of God? Was Jesus the Son of God flesh and blood? Was he born of the flesh?

    Who and who only has been resurrected from the dead no longer to return to corruption and that, death hath no more dominion over him?

    Why is he said to be the firstborn from the dead? Col 1:18

    When others inherit the kingdom of God with him will he then be the firstborn among many brethren? Does that mean many, as in many so born from the dead? If not please explain to me, why not.
     
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    But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision
    was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
    Gal 2:7

    Gospel of the Kingdom (Jesus ruling from Jerusalem over the whole world)
    Gospel of Grace through Faith (without the works of the law, "Judaism")
     
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    Which Gospel was preached to Abraham?

    Galatians 3:8. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

    Just how are people saved in the Gospel of the Kingdom?
     
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    That he would heir of the world. That is the world to come.World equaling the inhabited earth.
     
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    That he would heir of the world. That is the world to come.World equaling the inhabited earth.


    Sorry double post. Abraham himself will have to be born again by resurrection from the dead into the kingdom of God.

    Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

    That is why the death and resurrection of Jesus the seed of Abraham was so important to the gospel of the kingdom of God.
     
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    You state that God has forever cast away his people, the Jews, yet jesus did not say that the Kingdom would not ever go to them again, just not time!

    peter stated in Acts 3 that God would one day restore back isreal to himself, and how glorious for the whole rath at that time, just as Paul addressed in Romans!
     
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    I quoted the following Scripture:

    Matthew 22:42-45
    42. Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
    43. Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
    44. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
    45. And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
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    Now you show me Scripture where that judgment is ever revoked!

    Could you present that Scripture as proof!
     
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    Beameup,

    i am still anxiously waiting for your response to my two questions!

     
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    Matthew 22:42-45 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.

    43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

    44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

    45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

    Same reference. What Bible are you using?? :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    The above Scripture is actually Matthew 21:42-45. The message is the same. The Kingdom was taken from Israel/Jews and there is no Biblical record of that Judgment being revoked!
     
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    50 And Jesus cried again with a loud voice, and yielded up his spirit.
    51 And behold, the veil of the temple was rent in two from the top to the bottom … Mt 27

    You really don't get it do you Yesh? You will forever persist in putting a certain DNA upon the pedestal to worship as an idol.

    There will never ever be a return to that ministration of condemnation and death that you so long to be blessed to come back sometime in the future. Never. I say that with the utmost confidence.

    That's not to say that there won't someday be a general incoming, a revival, of the Jews into the Church of Christ. What a glorious day that would be!

    But this current aberration that goes by the name of Israel is not it.
     
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    Christ, the Son of God came into this world as a Jew. He took upon himself the sins of the world, the WHOSOEVER should believe on him would be saved.
    When God the Father turned his back on God the Son, in that brief moment of time, as Christ cried out "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me," then the earth quaked.

    Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
    Mat 27:47 Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias.
    Mat 27:48 And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink.
    Mat 27:49 The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him.
    Mat 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
    Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
    --This is when the veil was rent in twain from top to bottom.
    This is a sign that salvation is complete; that salvation is for all. It has nothing to do with salvation being either for the Jews or being taken from the Jews. Paul said:
    Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
    --The gospel--the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ was for all--the Jew first and then to the Gentile.
    Both Jew and Gentile are under condemnation of death. Romans 1-3, all three chapters are very clear on this. There is only one way of salvation, and that is through the shed blood of Christ. The Jew must come through Christ as well.
    Romans 9-11 deals with the nation of Israel. Romans 11 teaches that the nation or the remnant will be saved. "So then all Israel shall be saved." That is still future.
    Israel is Israel. Paul was an Israelite. He was an Israelite before he was saved, and then after he was saved he was a saved Israelite, but preferred to call himself a Christian. Paul didn't die until ca.68 A.D. Up until that time he prayed earnestly that Israel (which according to you doesn't exist) be saved. Was Paul some deluded demented person praying for something that didn't exist??

    Rom 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
    --If there is no Israel after the cross, what does Paul mean?
     
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    No. "..they are not all Israel, that are of Israel.." [Ro 9:6]

    Your literal narrow minded take on 'Israel' is sorely lacking.
     
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    First a question OR, Did you ever read that fourth chapter of Charismatic Chaos which gives some excellent instruction in heremeneutics?

    Now consider the entire chapter here.
    It is a chapter of parables on the kingdom. A parable is often simply defined as a earthly story with a heavenly meaning--or to illustrate a spiritual truth. The emphasis on a parable is that it teaches one spiritual truth. To try and make each and every part of a parable fit everything is wrong and bad hermeneutics.

    An illustration: In the parable of the lost coin: what does the broom represent?
    She cleaned her house looking for her lost coin. The instrument that she used represents an instrument used to clean a house and nothing more. Not everything in a parable is spiritualized.

    Thus you may be reading into this parable more than is warranted.

    Matthew 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

    MacArthur gives a very scriptural answer here without allegorizing the passage:
    IOW, OR, you are reading too much into the parable. It is just a parable meant to illustrate one point. The parable is related to a passage in Isaiah 5:2, a passage that would have been familiar to the Jews.
     
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    Answer the rest of that same paragraph:

    Paul was an Israelite. He was an Israelite before he was saved, and then after he was saved he was a saved Israelite, but preferred to call himself a Christian. Paul didn't die until ca.68 A.D. Up until that time he prayed earnestly that Israel (which according to you doesn't exist) be saved. Was Paul some deluded demented person praying for something that didn't exist??

    Rom 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
    --If there is no Israel after the cross, what does Paul mean?
     

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