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was ronald regan a Christian?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by massdak, Jun 5, 2004.

  1. Dallaeus

    Dallaeus New Member

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    Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
    To be honest with you, it really doesn't matter now. That is in the hands of God now.

    Joseph Botwinick
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    Amen!!!!! I would just add it was ALWAYS in the hands of God.

    I don't know if Reagan was a Christian or if he just spoke like one...Everything I know is that as a European, I am grateful for what he did against Communist oppresion. Please put him on your 10$ bills, guys, he REALLY deserves it+that will annoy many people in the world.

    Dallaeus

    PS: men like Churchill or De Gaulle were not Christians;they were nonetheless great statemen,one doesn't prevent the other
     
  2. Dallasdid

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    Falwell Confidential

    Date: June 10, 2004
    From: Jerry Falwell

    RONALD REAGAN HONORED GOD

    I founded the Moral Majority in June 1979 on a pro-life, pro-family,
    pro-Israel and strong national defense platform. Religious conservatives of
    all stripes rallied together almost immediately. More than 100,000 pastors,
    millions of evangelicals and other socially conservative people of faith
    joined hands to help America out of her moral tailspin, military
    deterioration, international embarrassment and economic woes. The national
    media dubbed us the "religious right." Instantly, the Moral Majority
    leadership began looking for a presidential candidate who shared our values
    and could unseat President Jimmy Carter. After interviewing several men, we
    met California Gov. Ronald Reagan. He became our immediate and unanimous
    choice.

    I have listened all week to the friends and admirers of Ronald Reagan
    beautifully remind us of what a great leader and genuinely upright man he
    was. This extraordinary man arrived on the scene at a pivotal time in our
    nation's history and uniquely united us when it appeared that such a
    national confederacy was impossible. He appealed to Moral Majority members
    and, at the same time, brought millions of Democrats into the fold. It was
    a political marvel that may never again be accomplished, especially in the
    seek-and-destroy political environment in which we today find ourselves.

    That is why I believe the hand of God was on this man.

    In the fall of 1980, I was riding alone with Mr. Reagan in the back of his
    limo as we traveled from the New Orleans airport to his speaking engagement.
    I had asked him to share his personal Christian testimony and his vision for
    America. I have often wished that I had taped the inspiring and visionary
    words he spoke. In the next 20 minutes, he eloquently and glowingly told me
    of his personal relationship with Jesus Christ and how he felt God had
    commissioned him to bring an end to Soviet Communism, to rid the world of
    nuclear threat and to make America once again a "city shining upon a hill".

    Gov. Reagan visited Liberty University in October of 1980, just before he
    was elected president. He told our students and the National Religious
    Broadcasters of that same vision. Sitting privately with President Reagan in
    the Oval Office during his first term, he restated his commitment to "bring
    America back." He meant it and he did it. I shall never forget the prayer
    President Reagan told me he prayed every day he was in the White House:
    "Father, not my will, but thine be done."

    In April of 1984, I asked President Reagan to address about 20,000 Baptist
    preachers who filled the Washington Convention Center. I had organized this
    event so that we could energize evangelical leaders about the great need for
    their involvement in guaranteeing godly leadership for this nation.
    President Reagan's speech was unforgettable and we sent these clergymen back
    to their homes across America with hearts aflame to make a difference in
    their parishes.

    I believe that Ronald Reagan felt a sense of heavenly preordainment
    regarding his leadership of the nation. That is why, when you look back at
    his speeches and writings, you see him consistently referring to prayer, the
    Scriptures and God.

    In his book "God and Ronald Reagan: A Spiritual Life," author Paul Kengor
    noted how Mr. Reagan, in a 1983 speech, personally penciled in these lines:
    "I know at times we feel that perhaps in our prayers we ask too much. Or
    possibly we feel something isn't important enough to be bothering God with
    it. Maybe we should let Him decide these things."

    I think every Christian has had similar thoughts about God and our
    relationship with Him. It is an almost natural reflection of those who
    routinely seek Divine interaction in our lives. But it is humbling to think
    that the most powerful man in the world would have these same thoughts about
    God, especially when you consider that the metaphorical weight of the world
    was resting on his shoulders.

    Mr. Kengor wrote, "[Reagan's] belief in God was a key source of his optimism
    and his boldness, his daring and self-security, and his confidence; these
    essential intangibles carried him throughout his presidency - and career as
    a whole - and enabled him to achieve what he did."

    Here again are Mr. Reagan's words, detailing the importance of faith in
    politics: "Those who created our country - the Founding Fathers and
    Mothers - understood that there is a divine order which transcends the human
    order. They saw the state, in fact, as a form of moral order and felt that
    the bedrock of moral order is religion. ... The truth is, politics and
    morality are inseparable. And as morality's foundation is religion,
    religion and politics are necessarily related. We need religion as a guide.
    We need it because we are imperfect, and our government needs the church,
    because only those humble enough to admit they're sinners can bring to
    democracy the tolerance it requires in order to survive."

    At a 1984 prayer breakfast, Mr. Reagan stated: "Without God, there is no
    virtue, because there's no prompting of the conscience. Without God, we're
    mired in the material, that flat world that tells us only what the senses
    perceive. Without God, there is a coarsening of the society. And without
    God, democracy will not and cannot long endure. If we ever forget that
    we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under."

    Mr. Reagan was a loyal supporter of the unborn and spoke of the need for a
    constitutional amendment to permit voluntary school prayer. He was a true
    hero to people of faith. I will value my friendship with him for the rest
    of my life; and I will forever thank God for allowing Ronald Reagan to lead
    us for eight glorious years. My prayer now is that, even in death, Mr.
    Reagan will continue to inspire us to remain vigilant in keeping his vision
    for America alive and well.
     
  3. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Reagan Library and Museum
     
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    Does this mean that non Charismatics are not "Born AGAIN" in certain areas of the U.S. ?
     
  5. Artimaeus

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    Of course, none of us KNOWS the answer. The poster just wanted to know if his fruits gave us confidence oo not. I would rather have a man as President that I'm pretty sure IS than one who I am pretty sure ISN'T.

    Why don't we just rate them according to our confidence level.

    Regan = 98%
    G. W. Bush - 50%
    Clinton - 1%
    G. H. Bush - 20%
    Carter - 60%
     
  6. Joseph_Botwinick

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    I would rate Carter a whole lot lower than that, but that is just me. I won't rate Reagan as I don't feel it is proper at this time. As a matter of fact, I have to agree with JohnV and say that I don't think this thread is proper at this time. Why don't we give it a few weeks before we start judging the fruits of his spirit and his salvation?

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  7. JeffM

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    After listening to his son Michaels touching eulogy at the California funeral, I have no doubt President Reagan was saved.

    Though I can't remember the exact words, Michael said President Reagan talked of his savior Jesus Christ many times and because of it, Michael said he and his family were taught the love and salvation of Jesus and will someday be together again in Heaven.
     
  8. massdak

    massdak Active Member
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    michaels speech was very good.
    i do not intend any disrespect.
    but as usual my timing is not so good.
     
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