Was the "fine linen", 'white'?

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  1. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    Was the "fine linen" which Joseph bought in that night and "wrapped" the body of Jesus in, "white"?

    “linen” - ‘sindona’ Mark 15:46 Luke 23:53
    “in clean linen” - ‘sindoni catharai’ Matthew 27:59
    “in linen clothes” / “in sheets” - ‘othoniois’ John 19:40
    “linen clothes” - ‘ta othonia’ Luke 23:54; 24:12 John 20:5,6

    ‘linon’ Matthew 12:20 “flax”
    ‘linon catharon lampron’ Revelation 15:6 [“stone” - ‘lithos’ variant] ‘linen pure bright”. “White” is unfounded.

    ‘to Linon’ the thread spun by the three goddesses of destiny the ‘Fates’.
    ‘linos’ - woven / twined cord of flax (of different colours)
    ‘linodetos’ - bound with flaxen bands (of different colours)
    ‘linostasia’ - laying of nets
    ‘ho Linos’ - Son of Apollo and Urania; vintage harvest song - ‘minstrel’ - sung in apparel of bright, vintage / autumn colours.

    ‘othoniois’ John 19:40 “in linen cloth(e)s” / “in sheets”
    ‘Clotho’ - one of the three Fates, Clotho, Lachesis, Atropos, likened to skeins of thread (of different colours) that they respectively spin, measure out, and at last sever.
    ‘othoneh’ Judges 14:13 ‘mostly in Plural’, sails, fine linen sheets “thirty change of garments” [variant, ‘sindohn’] (without saying of different colours)
    ‘ta othonai’ - ‘ta himatia’ Hosea 2:5 ‘garments’ - ‘linen’ - ‘clothes’ of the “mother harlot” verse 5 (of different shades of “purple and scarlet” Revelation 17:7; 18:16)

    ‘linokalámeh’ Joshua 2:6 “stalks of flax” = “line of scarlet thread” verse 18.

    ‘lineos’ Exodus 28:31-43 “…blue… purple… scarlet… gold… lace… fine linen… coat… bonnet… FOR GLORY AND FOR BEAUTY… when they come near unto the altar to minister in the Holy Place…”

    Was the "fine linen" which Joseph bought in that night and "wrapped" the body of Jesus in, "white"?

    It was not white; it was like the Cloak of Joseph.
    Again Roman Catholics are exposed for the heretics they are.

    The bearing of this on the “body of heaven” in Exodus 24:10 ….
     
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    Let's focus on what would have been the simplest aspect of the shroud to hoax: the blood.

    Say you were a guy in 1300s and you wanted to fake a Holy Shroud and in order to convince people (other people in the 1300s) you, inexplicably, decide to put the blood on your linen prior to doing all of your other trickery. Why would you:

    1. Use human blood when the people you are trying to fool can't tell the difference between human and animal?

    2. Use blood that contains bilirubin, which would mean you would have to torture a human to produce it in the blood, when the people you are trying to fool wouldn't know that it was present or that such a thing even existed? (Keep in mind the forger wouldn't have been aware of its existence either.)

    BTW, I read the book "Verdict on the Shroud," by Kenneth Stevenson and Gary Habermus, some time ago. They were involved in the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP). The evidence presented pretty much convinced me that the shroud is a true relic from the resurrection of Christ. But of course, it is not at all an article of faith.
    I personally think the Shroud of Turin is authentic and is the Shroud in which Jesus was wrapped for His burial. If this Shroud is real, it could only have been the burial cloth of Jesus, because no other crucified man would have had thorns on his head. And the Shroud certainly does depict thorns on the head of the person who was wrapped in it. I feel I'm correct in assuming this, because they placed the thorn of crowns upon His head to mock him specifically, because He said He claimed He was a king .As to the carbon dating, between the fire, the repairs after the fire in Medieval times, I think there are errors in the dating that was done. As I said in previous posts, the scientists who did the carbon dating have admitted that the portions they dated were from the Medieval repairs done after the fire. I love the image shown. And, I don't think anyone could have made an image of this type in Medieval times -- it's what, a micron in thickness?? and no paint, no ink, no known form of science or art could have done this in Medieval times, but a lot of scientists are trying some wild theories to "prove" that some artist did it. This includes putting a corpse on a cloth and exposing it to sunlight! I don't think that would even work with modern high-intensity lights! Also, the bits of plants and seeds discovered in the threads are from the area of Jerusalem, and were common in the time of our Lord. If it isn't the wrapping of our LORD's body, it would be an artistic representation of the wrapping of our LORD's body.

    Of course, Gerhard, you will dismiss ALL things that have the slightest connection to the Catholic Church as heretical and apostate. You have long been a staunch foe of Christ's Holy Catholic Church. I keep you in my prayers.
     
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    John 20:29 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

    Jesus said unto him, “Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed. Blessed are they that have not seen and yet have believed.”
     
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    Faith comes from the Word of God
    just as the Bible says.

    I would rather they find other artifacts that prove the Bible right and for science to agree. This shroud doesn't add to or take away my faith.

    Jesus told Thomas that it was better to believe without seeing, than to believe because you have seen. We are to live by faith not by sight. So the written Word and the Holy Spirit is all I need. still this artifact is fascinating and I believe it to be the burial shroud of our Lord,
     
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    Just curious, Walter, but do you not think the Shroud contradicts the Bible? After all:
    The Shroud present a single cloth wrapped over the body, but the scripture talks of multiple pieces of cloth.
     
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    With the Sabbath at the end of man’s labour on the Sixth Day, death is not colourless, and hell not black; because by Jesus Christ the Son of God the Son of Man, hell is Jaspis and Sapphire; and the grave, light and colour.

    Jacob Lorber wrote that humans looked upon the event of the Resurrection of Christ from the dead. Which is untruth. But Lorber also wrote that Jesus’ grave when He Resurrected, was full of light. Which is truth, but truth which, because it is mixed with untruth makes no sense, and does not honour God, Christ or truth.

    Whatever therefore …

    Jesus’ Resurrection in his grave from the dead was the creation of light, colour and joy, and brought freedom and rest for man right from the first day of his creation. Made God not the Sabbath for man after the first day of his life, the fruit of his own works for man would have meant darkness without light and the Sabbath for him would have been oblivion in which he would do nothing than his own works.

    Because man could see God and live, it must have been God in his “GLORY UNDER HIS FEET”.
    “Under his feet they saw as it were a paved network of art of (the appearance of) sapphire and as it were of the substance—light and colour—of the heavens for clearness.”

    Moses and the others saw “the Glory of God in the face of Jesus”. 2 Corinthians 4:6. Cf. 2Corinthians 3:18. They saw God in his “GLORY UNDER HIS FEET”. The men saw Christ in the GLORY of his Suffering the dying of the death of death on the ALTAR of the Sanctuary of the Almighty.
    The altar was made of brass and its grate was plated of woven brass strands. It shone like gold, in brightness and clarity of a diamond in purity.
    “Thou shalt make for the altar a grate of network of brass … all the vessels of the altar … firepans of brass … a brazen grate of network under the compass thereof beneath unto the midst of it.” Exodus 27:4; 38:3,4.
    “In the midst of” all the colours of “fire”, and of “brazen” glowing “brass” are seen the whole spectrum of colour—all the colours of the rainbow in its glory—the “substance” of the whole Sanctuary of the Almighty. See all the colours and light and brightness, e.g. in Exodus 37:31-38.

    Colour is of the “ESSENCE”—‘etsem’—of “the BODY of heaven” and GLORY of God in our text, Exodus 24:10. “Blue and purple and scarlet of plated artwork… coats… fine linen… twined linen… linen breeches… a twined linen girdle… clothes of service in the Holy Place… HOLINESS TO THE LORD…” Exodus 39.
    LIGHT is of the “ESSENCE”—‘etsem’—of “the BODY of heaven” and GLORY of God in our text, Exodus 24:10. “he put the mercy seat above upon the ark… he put the candlestick in the tent… he lighted the lamps before the LORD… he put the golden altar in the tent and he burned incence thereon… he put the altar of burnt offering by the door of the tabernacle… he set the laver between the tent and the altar… THEN THE CLOUD COVERED THE TENT AND THE GLORY OF THE LORD FILLED THE TABERNACLE.” Exodus 40:20-34.
    “And Moses was NOT ABLE TO ENTER INTO THE TENT BECAUSE THE CLOUD ABODE THEREON AND THE GLORY OF THE LORD FILLED THE TABERNACLE.” VERSE 35.

    Exodus 24:10 in the Passover of Yahweh (12:2 - 40:17) is the half-way mark between Genesis 3 and Revelation 4 in the “establishing” of God’s Covenant of Grace. The “bow in the Cloud”, from overhead in Genesis 9 “in the day of rain” in the life of Noah, stretched to “under His feet”, in Exodus 12 to Joshua 5 IN THE DEATH OF CHRIST “in this that Selfsame Bone Day”; and closed the circle in Revelation 4-5 in Jesus Christ in the last and “selfsame Bone-Day” of the Passover of Yahweh that “Christ was RAISED BY THE GLORY OF THE FATHER” and “was exalted at his own Right Hand in His Heavenly Majesty”.
     
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    The great body of humanity under the sway and tyranny of rawest most brutal idolatry, is Roman Catholic so called Christianity.

    In comparison Islam are saintly true Christians.

    Only yesterday and the day before Roman Catholics showed their total solidarity in the face of opposition --- opposition created by themselves. Like those in France are the others around the globe. The world has seen with its own eyes the UNIVERSALITY AND POWER OF ROMAN CATHOLICISM LIKE NEVER BEFORE IN HISTORY.

    Bible believing Christians must wake up. But I do not believe they will. They rather will be bluffed with the Catholic trick played on them for centuries, Islam … and suffer the consequences : hell on earth.

    Come Lord Jesus, Come quickly!

     
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    It was no day of “national unity” as it is being labelled. It was a – the day – of Religious, ‘Unity’.
    Said one, “I am proud to be Muslim and shall fight for the unity of all.”
    WHICH UNITY OF ALL?
    The ‘Unity’ of “When they shall say Peace! Peace! when there is no peace (and) WERE NOT ASHAMED (that) they had committed abomination.” Jeremiah 6:14;8:11.
    “Destruction cometh; and they shall seek peace and there shall be no peace. But mischief shall come upon mischief and rumour shall be upon rumour --- THEY SHALL SEEK A VISION OF THE PROPHET: BUT BY THE LAW THEY SHALL PERISH.” Ezekiel 7:24-26.

    “MAKE A CHAIN (of people: DEMONSTRATE!) For the land is full of bloody crimes and the City is full of violence.”
    The Catholic Church is the Capitol of Religions and of Religious Unity. Yesterday it was Paris; the day before Berlin; tomorrow, Rome? “All hands shall be feeble, and all knees shall be weak as water … they shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be worthless and gone: their (riches) shall not be enough to deliver them in the DAY OF THE WRATH OF THE LORD. Their plenteousness shall not save their soul; nor shall their greed fend off famine --- they made IMAGES OF THEIR ABOMINATIONS AND DETESTABLE (OBJECTS OF WORSHIP) IN THEIR INIQUITY.”

    Let them take hands and “make a chain” for Religious Unity, Equality and Fraternity— “the hands of the people of the land the LORD shall trouble and He shall deliver the “Great Whore”, “into the hands of STRANGERS for a prey, and into the hands of the WICKED of the earth for a spoil, and they shall POLLUTE (her).”
     
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    I found this explanation helpful. It is under the section: The Shroud And The Biblical Record.
    'Greater difficulties are encountered in John's descriptions of the burial linens. The synoptic Gospels record that the body was wrapped or folded in a fine linen sindon or sheet. Although the traditional idea is that this sheet was wound around the body, there is no difficulty in reconciling it with the Shroud. John (20:5-8) describes the body as "bound" with othonia, a word of uncertain meaning generally taken as "cloth" or "cloths.'' In the empty tomb he relates seeing "the othonia lying there, but the napkin (soudarion) which had been over the head not lying with the othonia but folded [or rolled up] in a place by itself." To elucidate this passage, almost as many theories as there are possibilities have been put forward. One which would exclude the Shroud is that the linen sheet was cut up into bands to wrap around the corpse, but most exegetes reject this notion. The fact that Luke describes the body as wrapped in a sindon and then relates that the othonia were seen in the empty tomb is taken by some as an equation of the two, by others as a distinction. Most commentators identify the Shroud with the sindon and offer one of the following interpretations: (1) The othonia is the Shroud, the soudarion is a chin band tied around the head to hold up the lower jaw, and the hands and feet were bound with linen strips. In the account of Lazarus, a soudarion is mentioned "around his face," and his hands and feet are bound with keiriai (twisted rushes). Three-dimensional projections of the Shroud face have indicated a retraction of beard and hair where a chin band would have been tied. The Greek soudarion is clearly a kerchief or napkin. (2) The soudarion is the Shroud, and the othonia are bands used to tie up the body. In the vernacular Aramaic, soudara included larger cloths, and the phrases "over his head" and "rolled up in a place by itself" suggest an item more substantial than a mere kerchief.'

    https://www.shroud.com/meacham2.htm
     
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    Fact is the fabric which Joseph bought, was like the garment which Joseph the son of Israel, wore as a figure of the Coming Christ.

    Fact is the appearance to the Israelites of God in Christ in his death is "ESSENTIALLY" BRIGHT AND COLOURFUL and not dull white.

    But most important FACT is, Jesus' whole body in the flesh throughout enduring "the pains of death" was SPOTLESSLY CLEAN and without the Catholic pagan BLOOD. His "FLESH, saw no corruption".

    Besides being savage idolaters, Catholics are LIARS and DECEIVERS.


    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=2180680#post2180680

    Was the "fine linen" which Joseph bought in that night and "wrapped" the body of Jesus in, "white"?

    “linen” - ‘sindona’ Mark 15:46 Luke 23:53
    “in clean linen” - ‘sindoni catharai’ Matthew 27:59
    “in linen clothes” / “in sheets” - ‘othoniois’ John 19:40
    “linen clothes” - ‘ta othonia’ Luke 23:54; 24:12 John 20:5,6

    ‘linon’ Matthew 12:20 “flax”
    ‘linon catharon lampron’ Revelation 15:6 [“stone” - ‘lithos’ variant] ‘linen pure bright”. “White” is unfounded.

    ‘to Linon’ the thread spun by the three goddesses of destiny the ‘Fates’.
    ‘linos’ - woven / twined cord of flax (of different colours)
    ‘linodetos’ - bound with flaxen bands (of different colours)
    ‘linostasia’ - laying of nets
    ‘ho Linos’ - Son of Apollo and Urania; vintage harvest song - ‘minstrel’ - sung in apparel of bright, vintage / autumn colours.

    ‘othoniois’ John 19:40 “in linen cloth(e)s” / “in sheets”
    ‘Clotho’ - one of the three Fates, Clotho, Lachesis, Atropos, likened to skeins of thread (of different colours) that they respectively spin, measure out, and at last sever.
    ‘othoneh’ Judges 14:13 ‘mostly in Plural’, sails, fine linen sheets “thirty change of garments” [variant, ‘sindohn’] (without saying of different colours)
    ‘ta othonai’ - ‘ta himatia’ Hosea 2:5 ‘garments’ - ‘linen’ - ‘clothes’ of the “mother harlot” verse 5 (of different shades of “purple and scarlet” Revelation 17:7; 18:16)

    ‘linokalámeh’ Joshua 2:6 “stalks of flax” = “line of scarlet thread” verse 18.

    ‘lineos’ Exodus 28:31-43 “…blue… purple… scarlet… gold… lace… fine linen… coat… bonnet… FOR GLORY AND FOR BEAUTY… when they come near unto the altar to minister in the Holy Place…”

    Was the "fine linen" which Joseph bought in that night and "wrapped" the body of Jesus in, "white"?

    It was not white; it was like the Cloak of Joseph.
    Again Roman Catholics are exposed for the heretics they are.

    The bearing of this on the “body of heaven” in Exodus 24:10 ….

     
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    Fact is the fabric which Joseph bought, was like the garment which Joseph the son of Israel, wore as a figure of the Coming Christ.

    Fact is the appearance to the Israelites of God in Christ in his death is "ESSENTIALLY" BRIGHT AND COLOURFUL and not dull white.

    But most important FACT is, Jesus' whole body in the flesh throughout enduring "the pains of death" was SPOTLESSLY CLEAN and without the Catholic pagan BLOOD. His "FLESH, saw no corruption".

    Joseph’s coat was the coat and emblem of his father Jacob’s LOVE, which his father made for him and put him on and SENT him in to his brothers … whom he found in Dothan.
    Here his brothers “stripped Joseph out of his coat of many colours that was on him and cast him in a pit that was not built for water”, but for storage of food.
    “And they sat down to eat bread” --- that which they had unlawfully removed from the pit so as to let Joseph starve in it.
    It says, “And they lifted up their eyes and were surprised by a company of Ismaelites from Gilead.”
    Gilead, “the place where God spake with Jacob and covenanted with him and with his “Seed” after him.
    Dothan --- here the Syrian army came to take the prophet Elisha captive; and here also at Dothan the servant of Elisha looked up and saw heavenly forces arrayed to protect on the hill. On the hill --- “to the east”.
    And here, was where Joseph’s brothers cast him into the pit naked as they would cast the Son of Joseph in the pit as it were upside down, and would lift Him up high naked, and give him gall and vinegar to drink.
    And Joseph’s brothers FAKED his coat of clean and bright and colourful fine linen and dipped it in the blood of a kid “and sent the coat and presented it to Joseph’s father, and LIED, telling him, THIS have we found : See for yourself if it is your son’s coat or not.”
    Just like with the cloak of Joseph, the whole scheme of the Catholics with the Shroud of Turin has been nothing but the idolatrous scam of ungodly LIARS AND HYPOCRITES claiming to be scientists!


     
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    You must have a very different bible......
     
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    Are you saying what I think you are saying?
    The way I'm reading this, you're saying Jesus's body remained clean during the scourging, crucifixion, and burial?
    Please tell me I'm reading you wrong, Gerhard...because that statement would be against the scriptures as plainly taught.
     
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    I'm ignoring some of the more bizzaro statements you have already made. Others are already shaking their heads in amazement. But the scientists involved were not part of any Catholic conspiracy. Read a little background on the scientists themselves before you make such ridiculous claims. Since you ignored my previous post, I will ask again hoping you will actually give an answer:

    Let's focus on what would have been the simplest aspect of the shroud to hoax: the blood.

    Say you were a guy in 1300s and you wanted to fake a Holy Shroud and in order to convince people (other people in the 1300s) you, inexplicably, decide to put the blood on your linen prior to doing all of your other trickery. Why would you:

    1. Use human blood when the people you are trying to fool can't tell the difference between human and animal?

    2. Use blood that contains bilirubin, which would mean you would have to torture a human to produce it in the blood, when the people you are trying to fool wouldn't know that it was present or that such a thing even existed? (Keep in mind the forger wouldn't have been aware of its existence either.)

    All this as a part of a great Catholic conspiracy? You read to much Chick Publications.
     
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    Linen in its natural colour is called ecru....to whiten cloth in ancient times urine was used. It was collected and from there the cloth was dipped etc and sun dried. The snowy white of modern times may not have been the snowy white of the time of Christ.

    Why is it that you think you have had some amazing capability to dissect everything in the bible. People have been doing this for at least 2000 years. If everything you are fussing about was all lies and falsehood, it would surely have been revealed by those who have gone before you.
     
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    Show it <<against Scripture>> with Scripture!

    You are most welcome

    Not only Pilate was baffled; "What is truth", baffles you too, I can see. It baffled me as well ... so indoctrinated are we with Roman Catholicism's idolatrous ways and customs and traditions.

     
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    Your talking is as senseless as the shroud hoax.

    I admit I have nothing to say about the shroud per se. Never seen it; never touched it; never READ about it in the Bible. If ever there has been a COMPLETE HOAX it is not the shroud of Turin, but Catholicism which invented its trickery and hoax which IS ALL THE HOAX OF GOOD FRIDAY AND EASTER SUNDAY.

    See the connection with SUNDAY WORSHIP and the shroud of Turin and understand the Scriptures which expose the deception.
     
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    This verse is typically referenced to show how Jesus was beaten and spit upon, and how the hairs of his cheek, his beard, were plucked out.

    Another scripture from Isaiah revealing the nature in which Jesus would suffer. He would be beaten and scourged by the Romans to the extent that his appearance would be marred more than anyone else. He would barely be recognizable after the beating.

    John's account of Jesus being scourged and beaten. The Romans, mocking His kingship, crafted a crown of thorns and placed them on His head. If you think that the thorns that grow in the Middle East could be fashioned into a crown and placed on your head and it would remain "spotlessly clean" then I'm curious what else you believe.

    Here the dead body of Jesus hangs upon the cross. Never mind that His hands and feet are nailed to the wood, which would result in bleeding. Never mind that He wore the crown of thorns, which would leave His head bleeding. Here a Roman soldier pierces His side with a spear to verify His death. At that moment blood and water flowed from Jesus's side. Do you really think that blood just ran right off Him without getting His body dirty in the least?

    Jesus tells His disciples about the hardships and torment He is soon to go through. Nothing in His description could possibly make one think He remained physically clean.

    Yet another Gospel account of Jesus in the hours prior to the crucifixion. Here we are told once more of Pilate having Jesus scourged. A Roman scourging was a filthy affair. The condemned being scourged was often beaten with rods before being whipped. The whips usually had bits of bone, rock, or broken pottery braided into the cords to draw blood. No one was ever scourged without bleeding. The condemned would also, in basically every instance, wind up on the ground in a pool of their own blood. Many times the condemned would urinate or defecate on themselves during the scourging, such was the pain of the experience. (Note, this is not to say Jesus did, but merely to relate the horrible truth of a Roman scourging.)

    Jesus, while God, was also a man, and His human body was capable of bleeding and bruising. We know He was cut by the ships, because the scripture even says "By His stripes we are healed." One cannot remain "spotlessly clean" and have striped that can heal.

    Once more, the scourging is mentioned, which I have already detailed. Christ was mocked, spit upon, and was struck in the head with a reed. He was then taken to Calvary and crucified. Roman Crucifixion often involved driving a nail into the wrist or, if the arms were supported with ropes, driving a nail into the palm of the hand, causing great pain. The feet were either nailed to opposite sides of the upright, or were placed on a type of ledge and nailed into place. The cross was then raised into position, which involved standing it upright until it dropped into a previously dug hole, jarring the victim and causing even more pain. Those condemned to die by crucifixion most often dies of asphyxiation, as the body gave out it became harder to lift oneself up to draw breath. This often was accomplished by putting what weight they could on the heel of their feet and driving upwards. For that reason the Romans broke the legs of those crucified with Jesus, so that death would come faster. In some ways, it was almost merciful, all things considered. Jesus, having been scourged, would have been even weaker bodily than a crucifixion victim who was not scourged.

    All of these scriptures and basic physical truths reveal that the body of Jesus was not "spotlessly clean" during the pains of death. No, He was bruised for our transgressions. His stripes (whip marks) brought us healing. His bloody death upon the cross and His resurrection from the dead three days later sealed the victory for those who believe in Him.
     
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    <<<Isaiah 50:6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.
    This verse is typically referenced to show how Jesus was beaten and spit upon, and how the hairs of his cheek, his beard, were plucked out.>>>

    Not denying anything "I the LORD thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob", ALLOWED "the smiters", to do.
    No, "I turned not my back (but) gave my back to the smiters".

    And He, challenged them to do their pleasure.
    "For the LORD GOD will help Me, therefore shall I NOT be confounded (be treated mistakenly as similar or identical with the smiters or be) abhorrent. Therefore I have set my face like a flint (... and every blow to my face like lightning sparked my glory and confounded them!); and I knew that I shall NOT be ashamed” …but appear glorious!”
    “HE that justifieth Me is with Me; who will contend with Me?
    Let us stand next each other: Are you, My, adversary?
    COME NEAR ME! (I challenge you!) Come near to Me : SEE THE LORD GOD HELPING ME!
    Who are you who judge Me? Condemn Me?
    Lo THEY ALL shall wax old like a (bloodstained) piece of linen; the moth (and its worm) shall eat THEM up” in Gehenna.
    “Let Him trust in the Name of the LORD, and stay upon his God” the smiters taunted Him up until the end upon his cross.
    But THEY, and not Jesus, were the ones “confounded” and “ashamed”——“confounded” and “ashamed” by the GLORY and SPOTLESS PERFECTION of the Passover Lamb of the LORD GOD.

     
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    <<<Isaiah 50:6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.
    This verse is typically referenced to show how Jesus was beaten and spit upon, and how the hairs of his cheek, his beard, were plucked out.>>>

    Not denying anything. "I the LORD thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob", ALLOWED "the smiters", to do.
    No, "I turned not my back (but) gave my back to the smiters".

    And He, challenged them to do their pleasure.
    "For the LORD GOD will help Me, therefore shall I NOT be confounded (be treated mistakenly as similar or identical with the smiters or be) abhorrent. Therefore I have set my face like a flint (... and every blow to my face like lightning sparked my glory and confounded them!); and I knew that I shall NOT be ashamed” …but appear gloriously!”
    “HE that justifieth Me is with Me; who will contend with Me?
    Let us stand next each other: Are you, My, adversary?
    COME NEAR ME! (I challenge you!) Come near to Me : SEE THE LORD GOD HELPING ME!
    Who are you who judge Me? Conemn Me?
    Lo THEY ALL shall wax old like a (bloodstained) piece of linen; the moth (and its worm) shall eat THEM up” in Gehenna.
    “Let Him trust in the Name of the LORD, and stay upon his God” the smiters taunted Him up until the end upon his cross.
    But THEY, and not Jesus, were the ones “confounded” and “ashamed”——“confounded” and “ashamed” by the GLORY and SPOTLESS PERFECTION of the Passover Lamb of the LORD GOD.

     
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