was the Incarnation of jesus permanent or Not?

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Did God come as a man, die as One, and be raised forever to be in a gloried physical man body or not?

    is he still in a physical form, or now spiritual form, as before the Incarnation?
     
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    I would argue that part of the kenosis of Jesus in Phil. 2 is that he will forever remain the God-man. Such a prospect would make his incarnation all the more an act of humility, to be ever in the form of man.

    The good news is that Jesus also goes before us as the firstfruits of the new creation. I think that truth alone seals the deal that he will remain as he was at the resurrection. Our new creation is dependent on it.
     
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    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth. Jn 1

    Wherefore we henceforth know no man after the flesh: even though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now we know him so no more. 2 Cor 5:16

    So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 1 Cor 15:45

    Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and to-day, yea and for ever. Heb 13:8

    for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, Col 2:9

    In short, I DON'T KNOW! I kinda agree with GT though:

    These are some deep, good thoughts.
     
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    Jesus left this earth in a body and I can only imagine that he will return in a body and remain in a body for all eternity. Just my opinion.
     
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    I posted the following in another forum concerning ones commentary on this passage from Col. 1 as an alternative view. Do not think I have the right to post the other persons view.

    He is the image of the unseen God,
    firstborn over all creation.
    For in him all things were created,
    in the heavens and on the earth, the seen and the unseen,
    if thrones, or lordships, or rulers, or authorities,
    all things, through him and for him, were created.

    And he is the first of all things, and all things stand together.
    And he is the head of the body, the Church.

    He is the beginning,
    firstborn from the dead, that in all things he should be first.
    For in him all the fullness thought well to dwell,
    and through him to fully reconcile all things to himself,
    making peace through the blood of his cross,
    by him, if that upon the earth, or that in the heavens.


    My post and all feel free to to respond. For better understanding suggest you actually look at passages quoted from Scripture4all.org at their site.

    could there also be this understanding?

    Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

    Creation story from Geneses 1 the first man Adam created in the image of God and he the first man Adam was the figure of him (the last Adam) that was to come.
    1 Cor. 15:44,45 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; (the image/figure in which Jesus the Christ begotten of God brought forth by the virgin Mary came. 1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God
    the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit. Being by resurrection there is a spiritual body, V44 and Jesus was the firstborn from the dead, (a quickening spirit) 1Cor 15:46 speaking of Christ for he is the only one so far: Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

    Is this not a new creation of the man child Jesus in the image of the God invisible?

    Scripture4all.org Greek interlinear Col. 1:15 WHO IS Image OF-THE God THE UN-SEEN/invisible BEFORE-most-BROUGHT-FORTH/firstborn OF-EVERY CREATION---word following / is alt. of proceeding word.

    Compare that with 2 Cor. 5:17 without all the added words as in the KJV for supposedly making more clear.

    S4a: AS-BESIDES/so-that if ANY/anyone IN ANOINTED/Christ NEW CREATION THE ORIGINals/primitive(p) BESIDE-CAME/passed-by BE-PERCEIVING/lo ! it-HAS-BECOME/has-become NEW/new(p THE ALL

    It is Jesus Christ that is the new creation and by the Holy Spirit we are put in him yet that is only the earnest of what we shall be. (ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise) Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. (Which will equal our being) Romans 8:29 conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    When we are born by resurrection/change we will be conformed to the image of the the Son in his new creation image making him the firstborn of many.

    Yes, No. Maybe?

    Was not the last Adam Jesus, who came in the figure of the first man Adam, who was created in the image of God, by being raised from the dead by God his Father a new creation of man? See also Hebrews 2:6-10

    But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing [that is] not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. For it became him, for whom [are] all things, and by whom [are] all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
     
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  6. Yeshua1

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    So God did actually change, allowing Himself to become something never was before, and will reamin forever as being God-Man?

    Do you think that will be aspect of identifing with His own, as truely will be one of us in a sense forever more?
     
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    I don't think he said that.
     
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    he did not/cannot change in his nature, but didn't he become something never was before, a Human Being?
     

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