'Wash Post' Reveals: Surveillance Program Has Spied on Thousands

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  1. poncho

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    Published: February 04, 2006 11:55 PM ET

    A major, and quite lengthy, report starting on the front page of the Washington Post on Sunday offers new details on the warrantless domestic spying effort, renamed the Terrorist Surveillance Progam by the White House.

    The article by Barton Gellman, Dafna Linzer and Carol D. Leonnig, opens:

    "Intelligence officers who eavesdropped on thousands of Americans in overseas calls under authority from President Bush have dismissed nearly all of them as potential suspects after hearing nothing pertinent to a terrorist threat, according to accounts from current and former government officials and private-sector sources with knowledge of the technologies in use.

    "Bush has recently described the warrantless operation as 'terrorist surveillance' and summed it up by declaring that 'if you're talking to a member of al Qaeda, we want to know why.' But officials conversant with the program said a far more common question for eavesdroppers is whether, not why, a terrorist plotter is on either end of the call. The answer, they said, is usually no.

    "Fewer than 10 U.S. citizens or residents a year, according to an authoritative account, have aroused enough suspicion during warrantless eavesdropping to justify interception of their domestic calls, as well. That step still requires a warrant from a federal judge, for which the government must supply evidence of probable cause.

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    according to accounts from current and former government officials and private-sector sources with knowledge of the technologies in use.

    I hope these leakers are found and prosecuted. I am surprised that there are that many people willing to leak classified data. This is continuing to damage national security.
     
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    So let me get this straight EL, someone sees something that they feel may be an illegal or unconstitutional or maybe even a treasonous act by the governemnt they should just keep their mouth shut about it?
     
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    There are other ways to handle it; otherwise, you will have classified information flying around everywhere. By leaking the data, they have shown that they cannot be trusted with classified data, and have violated the terms of their security clearances. Which is a criminal offense.
     
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    You mean like Richard Perle and Larry Franklin? Franklin went to the crowbar hotel, Perle went to Washington with a brand new promotion.

    Besides the globalists know the only real threat is from the terrorists under their control. Like Aswatt and Ramzi Yousef or Usama Bin Laden for instance.
     
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    Franklin pled guilty. I don't care who they are -- if they violate their clearances, they should be prosecuted.
     
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    Well, apparently there are those in Washington that feel promotions are in order for leakers, spys for foreign powers and even convicted felons. Poindexter? How about Karl Rove or Scooter Libby, if convicted would they be misunderstood heros like Oliver North and Poindexter or common criminals like Franklin?
     
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    I repeat -- if they violate their clearances, they should be prosecuted.

    Neither Karl Rove nor Scooter Libby have been convicted. Oliver North was acquited, I believe, but that doesn't excuse leaks. Look, my entire family is military or civilian intel, two of whom can't tell me where they are or what they are doing. Their lives are on the line, and vulnerable to leaks.
     
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    I know they haven't been convicted thats why I used the word "if". Just because North was acquited doesn't mean he wasn't guilty, just that he had powerful friends and was willing to take the fall for them and payback was in order.

    And I repeat, the globalists know that the only real threat is from the terrorists they control like Aswatt, Yousef and Bin Laden.
     
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    Sorry, I missed the word "if." I won't defend leakers, no matter who they are.
     
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    Okay. We'll probably have this conversation again *if* Rove or Libby are convicted. I am glad to see that you would hold republicans accountable too, so far. ;)
     
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    Yup. I agree. If either are convicted, I hope they serve time. That goes for Conrad Burns, & Tom Delay, also.
     
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    And that goes double for democrats...far as I'm concerned.

    In any case this lends more credence to my "misdirection by switching terms" theory. :D

    And besides the government has been spying on us through Eshelon, Carnivore and other systems for years. Now they're just announcing it and want to make it legal.
     
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    For the record, Rove has not been charged with anything, and Libby is not charged with leaking classified information.
     
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    Libby is charged with lieing in an investigation, the exact thing Martha Stewart had to serve time for. Am I mistaken ?
     
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    You're right Curtis. And the thing is, it wasn't even lying about anything that really mattered. This is a problem showing up more and more in these "special investigations", where after months and months of investigation, they can't prove that a crime was ever committed, but because people can't remember word for word or minute by minute details of events that happened a long time ago, they go to prison. Martha Stewart went to prison for covering up a crime that never happened. If Libby goes it will be the same thing.
     
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    Martha Stewart could have avoided jail time with this statement.....

    "I was given inside information on a stock about to tank, and I sold my shares. The person who told me was named......"

    It makes no sense that Libby would lie about the investigation.

    Also, it is starting to look like Delay did some tricky re-districting in Texas.

    Back to Libby,why would he lie, if it wasn't important ? I agree that trickery, questions aked in an attempt to trip him up, and other unsavory tactics were used, but in the ultra partisian atmosphere we have today, people need to work very hard to keep all their ducks in one row.

    [ February 07, 2006, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: Bro. Curtis ]
     
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    10 to 1 it is a liberal democrat! :D
     
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    That's not a sane bet. Offer me 1:10 and I'll take it!
     
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    North was convicted on three out of twelve counts.

    On appeal, the conviction was vacated due to a "tainted witness".

    What happenned was that before his criminal trial, North gave immunized testimony before Congress wherein he was compelled to speak freely of his misdeeds and criminal acts. Although the appeals court agreed that Prosecutor Walsh and his office were scrupulous in not using any of his congressional testimony as evidence or a lead to obtaining evidence, North's boss, McFarlane swore to the appeals court that he was influenced by North's congressional testimony. McFarlane was then deemed a tainted witness and since his statements about North had been used to convict North, the judgement was vacated.

    That was quite different from an aquittal. There was no doubt of North's guilt, but his right not to be compelled to testify against himself was paramount.

    Libby's case will be different.
     

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