Watchman Nee

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  1. Robert J Hutton

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    I have been greatly blessed and challenged in reading biographies of Watchman Nee. However, it appears that some Christians think he was "unsound". Can anyone enlighten me on what supposedly unsound doctrines he held to ?
     
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    I am certainly no expert on Watchman Nee, but many folks don't like him because he has an understanding of the difference between the salvation of the spirit and the salvation of the soul.

    He has a book entitled Salvation of the Soul that is good and then the Mystery of Creation. There are some things that I don't agree with him in those two books, but most people don't see and/or understand the differences between the salvation of the soul and the spirit and that is their complaints against him as far as what has been shown to me.

    I think another big factor is that Witness Lee was a student of Watchman Nee and Witness Lee from what I have heard at least kind of went much further in some areas that his teacher did and I think part of Nee's bad rep is from what his student has done. That's just an observation of mine and a guess, and should only be treated as such :).

    One of the areas that I think Nee went too far is to say that if we enjoy anything while on this earth that is sinful. If I go out and watch my son play baseball and he has a great game and I am proud of my son then I am in sin because I enjoyed the great game my son had.

    Hope that helps.

    I think there is much to learn from the teachings of Nee, and as with any teacher of Scripture you must test it in Light of Scripture. If it holds up believe it and if it doesn't chew the meat and spit out the bone :)
     
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    You hit the nail on the head... I think we had a discussion last fall on these two people, and this is the conclusion I came to.
     
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    I've been accused of being a student of Watchman Nee, although I've never read his work. I can see why, based on what I've been told, though. But, never let it be said that I don't enjoy a good time.
     
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    The Boldness of Brother Nee

    Brother Nee believed, as I do, in the total man being tripartite. Body, soul, and spirit. Many believers today amongst our brethren have tried to adapt the soul and spirit as one thing. I hear many preachers use the terms soul and spirit as if they were interchangeable. They are two totaly different parts of man. Brother Nee understood that there is a past, present, and future understanding of our salvation. Therefore he was very bold in his preaching concerning our born again experience being the salvation of our spirit. This is when we recieve eternal life. He also understood that there was an upcoming judgement for all believers (1 Corinthians 3) and that some of the believers would "suffer loss" but be saved "so as by fire." As a baptist, I believe many would gain a deeper understanding of God's plan for us in our body, soul, and spirit if we would be as fundamental as Brother Nee. Though I'm sure there are areas where I would disagree with Brother Nee, this is one area I am surely greatful for his bold stand.
    God Bless!
     
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    This is the teaching of Darwinian evolution. (OK, I know that "Darwinian" is a misnomer, but you know what I mean.) It has so permeated our society that, as you have pointed out, it is being preched from the pulpit, and today, the vast majority of saved individuals are missing the truth of the gospels.

    Better watch out! You'll be called a heretic (or worse), and you'll be questioned about the authenticity of this being a Baptist teaching!
     
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    Amen! Welcome to the board!
     
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    Two salvations. Enough for me to think he is unsound. My signature speaks to this pretty clear.
     
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    Preachers and teachers, theologies and doctrines, teachings and understandings, they will come and go.

    When we all finally seat at the feet of our Master, and be taught of Him, our hearts will burn within us just like the two disciples at Emmaus, and, my goodness, we won't even remember what we held on to on earth, would we ?

    Having said that, I also respect Watchman Nee as a brother, but like J.Jump said, some of his teachings, you gotta chew the meat, and spit out the bone (maybe some of the meat, too).
     
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    Hope of Glory, If I may be permitted, do you live in Alaska? If so are you our Brother that would teach the tripartite man in view of accountability at the Judgement saet of Christ and in view of the soon coming Kingdom? Thank you for your input.
     
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    II Timothy 2:1-4,
     
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    II Timothy 2:1-4,
    You stated: Two salvations. Enough for me to think he is unsound.
    In view of your remark and your love for second Timothy 2, what would be your doctrinal view concerning II Timothy 2:12? Paul was definately a man Born of the Spirit for he believed upon Christ. He used the terminology that included himself in the reward and also he put himself in danger of the denial becuase of his use of the word "we." Thank you for your reply Brother.
     
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    I would be one of a few who meet these criteria.

    Only one on the BB in Alaska, AFAIK.
     
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    Reply to II Tim 2:1-4

    You stated: "Two salvations. Enough for me to think he is unsound. My signature speaks to this pretty clear." You signature is of II Timothy 2:1-4.
    Do you also stand as firm upon a true and fundamental platform concerning the clear presentation of Paul's concern of rejection before God in II Timothy 2:12?
    Please understand I stand boldly upon the truth of Eternal Security. There is indeed a finished work revealed at Calvary. I am not seeking debate on this argument. The concern would be you position in backing up your prior statement in view of II Timothy 2:12.

    Paul could not be speaking to unbelievers when the verse is kept in clear context. Paul included himself in the group he was speaking to. He included himself, with a condition, in the reward and also in the denial because he used the word "we."

    Thank you for your boldness and I look forward to your biblical response.
     
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    I was told of a person with a website, hopeofglory.com by a Brother in Tennessee. I have been searching for him. Are you the sames?

    Also to all here, please forgive me if I make repeats or mistakes. I am totally new to this system of conversation on the computer. Please bare iwth me!
     
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    That would be me! What a small world! You will have a PM in just a few moments. Oh, and it's hopeofglory.net. hopeofglory.com used to be a Christian site in Australia, but it now seems to be up for sale.
     
  18. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    My user name is a typo. It was supposed to be 2 Timothy4:1-4. I failed to check it before I sent it. I'm not sure I understand your reference to Paul being in danger of denial. If you are insisting that Paul spoke here with regards to a second salvation then I would say you cannot break that verse down to verify that. There is only one salvation. It is inclusive of both the millennium and eternity. if you are thinking that the word reign alludes to only the millennium the Word of God disagrees. You might want to study Revelation 22:1-5.
     
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    I do not understand this post.
     
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    II Timthoy 2 reply

    Dear Brother,
    You say there is but one salvtion that covers eternity AND the Millenium. I am at least glad that you do indeed see the difference in Eternal verses and Millenial verses. My concern would be that from what I am seeing in your post, I am finding the lack of accountability for anything. If we are spiritually born again and this salvation covers entrance and ruling in the Kingdom, does this mean that it matters not what we do for the Lord in service while here? Does this mean there is no aaccountability at the judgement seat for bad works? I am not trying to post this as your possition, I am just asing if this is your position. If we all get a free ride into the ingdom to rule and to reign, where is the loss that is suffered to the unfaithful at the Judgment Seat in I Corinthians 3?
    What does God deny the unfaithful in II Timothy 2:12?

    I pray that I have now given an greater overview to my questioning in the former blog that you didn't understand. Thank you for your response.
     

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