Web Video: 23 minutes in hell

TY for the welcome.

 

Why is he "selling" his testimony on Amazon? Shouldn't your personal testimony be FREE?

 

I have listened to it Lady Eagle and his 'experience' falls vastly short according to the Word of God and ITS description of Hell.

A lie gives no more credence to the truth regardless of it scary tale. God can use any number means to bring a person unto himself (even an unsaved person who thinks they are - and later learns they never were). But a lie remains a lie and when those people research hell in comparision with scripture they will find him to have a False profession regarding his 'experience'.

I agree with another on here where this man seems jovial in some points speaking of hell and its torments. He has no passion nor does he speak with compelling urgency because of what he has seen. He dispays it much like horror movie one sees. Yes it was terrible but not soul burdening.

Regarding Bunyan however. His was not a vision nor revelation from God dispite what he thinks but an imaginitive dream based on his own personal beliefs (though horrifying none the less). How can I say that? Well by knowing Bunyan through much of his theological works (this is what I ment by personal beliefs as his 'experience' goes according to his understanding) first and secondly though most importantly to this discussion is the basic falisy in his story which is proved out right wrong scripturally. That falisy is that satan is bound and enthroned IN HELL in his present time and on ward. Satan is the Prince of the Power of the Air. He is still here in the World and has not been judged and bound in hell as of yet. There is NO throne for satan to sit upon in Hell. Scripture declares Hell was created for Satan and his angels to torment them. Satan and demons all tremble to even THINK of going there because they know what it holds for them. Refer to casting of the demons into the swine/pigs. Satan does not rule FROM Hell but from on the Earth.

In the OT (and the NT) all dreams and visions must corrispond exactly to the scriptures or the person who is proclaiming it is to be condemned as a false prophet and stone (in the OT at that is).
Duet 13 is a good starting point and then here is another that deals much with this:

When one testifies of his dream, another judges it according to scripture. If it is truly of God it will stand the scriptural testing and not be blown away like chaff. It will not burn in the heat of scrutiny nor will it crumble under the wieght of the word of God.

But in truth, MY BIGGEST problem with this man is that he doesn't KNOW if it was a mere dream or vision of God - and yet he continues as though it IS a vision from God. THAT speaks volumes. If it is a vision from God one will know. WHY? Because the believer SHOULD come before God, like Daniel, and ask concerning it. And God will reveal THEN what manner or meaning it holds. People today have an experience then run off to tell the world THEIR interpretation of it and not once stop to ask God what it means and what they should do about. Sometime it may be of God but they run with it and STILL get it wrong. I remember Paul who was about to go to Jerusalem and God gave the people a vision of him going there in chains and they presummed to KNOW Gods heart and sought to persuade him NOT to go. Even a prophet came and tried to disuade him. But the truth was that God was sending Paul toward Jerusalem for His purpose they were to be an his encouagement because of what was to happen and not a discouragement from going. Paul states regarless what they think, he must go because that is where God has called him.

Anyway. Based on scripture I list this man as a false prophet (dreamer of dreams) who is falsly claiming the Lord has given him a vision of Hell (he thinks)

 

Just correcting something here.

The story of the Rich man in Hell (Luke 16) is not a parable.

 

What makes you think it's not a parable?

Personally, I think it's a parable; but we can call it the-story-that-serves-the-exact-same-purpose-as-a-parable if you want. Do you believe this really happened, so it doesn't qualify? Or that it doesn't have enough symbolism? I see it as a parable in line with Lk 8:10 and Mat 13:34-35.

"Falisy" is a fallacy.

 

Yep, cause it did.

There are a couple of things that distinguish it from parables.

1. A parable never uses names
2. A parable does not speak of specific literal places (like being in HELL, and in Abrahams Bosom)
3. Parables are consistant in verb usage of time but not so in the story of the Rich man - it goes from the past tense verb usage of their lives and then at their death maintains a present tense verb usage
4. Jesus explains His parables. He did not do so when speaking about the Rich man being in hell lifting up his eyes being in torment, and Lazarus being in Abrahams bosom.
5. He did not use allagory nor metaphor to discribe hell and its horror nor did He do so regarding Abrahams Bosom.

There are other things but these suffice. You wont find many people who hold to Luke 16 being a parable - Historically or otherwise.
The only ones I actaully know of who hold that veiw (as a group) is Seventh Day Adventists. But they are a cult so they technically don't count.

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Jesus didn't ONLY speak in parables. Look at the sermon on the mount (Mat 5-7) and many other places.
Parable were PART of how He taught. Parable to the people but plainly to the disciples.

 

Hell?

I seriously question the validity of this guys tale. The presentation takes the standard world attitude about Hell. That the Devil and demons are there to assist God in our torment while enjoying the whole experience. This does not line up with scripture in any way shape or form. His whole story is a lie based on false ideas about hell. Anyone that would give him a listen with an open mind has an open mind for a lie from Satan.

 

Tried to edit my response to be more polite and add some verses for consideration, but I was too slow! While your list of qualifications seems reasonable to me, it sounds worthwhile to compare it with agreed-upon parables to see if I can understand how they do or don't stack up. Thanks for the information.

If I'm to take this story as factual, I'll have to adjust my view to include a chasm at the edge of heaven and hell, over which people can see and have conversations with one another. Perhaps it seems like a a parable to me because it runs in a list of parables, with no breaks between them. The lost sheep, the lost coin, the prodigal son, the shrewd manager, then the rich man and Lazarus.

 

The chasm you speak of is not a chasm between heaven and hell. It is a chasm between the righteous dead and the unrighteous dead.

If you notice in the story, the chasm is between Abraham and the rich man. Abraham was not yet in heaven, but was indeed in a place waiting for Christ to set captivity free.

 

He was probably reading magazines and listening to muzak.

 

Of course he was, where do you think Christian contempory came from?? :laugh:

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However I personally agree with GLipscomb48

 

I just don't get it folks. We seem to live in a generation which is looking for signs and wonders. We seem to be enamoured with fantasy tales and great stories. These kind of things, especially in the internet age, come, make a splash, then disappear over the horizon. The word of God endures forever and in there Jesus gave us a very clear picture of hell, thats all we need.

The gospel is the power of God unto salvation. We don't need gimmicks, stories, and fantastic accounts of "visits to hell." If God's word is not enough we might as well pack up our bags and give up.

 

I agree.

We need to preach Christ. We need to preach hell hot and heaven beautiful. But when our preaching of these do not line up with God's Word, we are preaching another gospel.

 

What if thise guy's "testimony" doesn't even begin to describe the horrors of hell and is not another man's fantasy story to draw attention to himself?

 

Charismatic leader Roberts Liardon said that one afternoon in 1974 - when he was eight years old - he was caught up into heaven where he met Jesus face to face. Liardon, who now directs his own worldwide ministry based in Laguna Hills, California, said that Christ was "about six feet tall, with sandy-brown hair, not real short and not too long." Marietta Davis said made claims about heaven and hell about 150 years ago, she described an "infants heaven" where children go. And she also had a vision of the horrors of hell. Paul Yonggi [David] Cho claims to have been to heaven and back, and told how he met his wife there as well as various Biblical figures. Kenneth Hagin also makes similar claims. He wrote, "I went down, down, down until the lights of the earth faded away....And the farther down I went, the hotter and more stifling it became. Finally, far below me, I could see lights flickering on the walls of the caverns of the damned....I came to the entrance of hell." Morris Cerullo, also claimed to have been caught up into heaven during a church service where he saw a six foot tall manifestation of the Godhead. Another charismatic, Richard Eby, claims to have experienced in vision both heaven and hell, however, he was only in hell for two minutes. Eby wrote, "Even so, it was too long....With terror came anger: hell-inspired curses flowed out in silence. My lips were silenced! Hate, wrath, cruelty, and insane rage rolled back and forth through me. Despite the utter silence I heard demons taunt me."

Sorry, this is the same old Charismatic, sensationalistic nonsense that has been around for years, and we should beware of it.

Paul had a vision of heaven, but he didn't write much about it, in fact he said, he "heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." Strange then that others seem to have been given the right that Paul was denied.

I'm with Roger on this one. All that we know or need to know about the after life is contained in God's Word. Jesus said that even if one returned from hell he would not be believed. And Paul stated that he was not permitted to share the full glories of his heavenly vision. Those who have put their dubious experiences to print are, IMO, deceitful, egotistical and dishonest. They are making merchandise of the gospel, and should be spurned.

 

I'm with Roger here!!

What kind of people did Jesus say that would seek after a sign??

Jesus called them "a wicked and perverse generation"

There are lots and lots of weirdos out there who beg for attention---and its my opinion that we give them too much of it.

Just like there are people out there who chase tornadoes and fire trucks---there are people out there who give chase to signs and wonders---only thing is----when one chases a tornado or a fire truck--at the end of that chase, they've got something!!! When the "sign and wonder" chase is over---there's nothing to attest for---the spiritual "pot" at the end of the rainbow----nothing's there!!!

Lets stop giving these weirdos our attention!!!

 

Sorry, but what does this mean? I've seen the phrase on other threads too. I tried searching "FAQ" for "bump", "bumped" and "Bumped up", but with no results. Is it something to do with the popularity of a thread? (My dictionary says it means "to increase prices suddenly and sharply", but that hardly fits in this case)