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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by DaChaser1, Jan 18, 2012.
or were they lost sinners?
I would love to think that Adam and Eve were eventually saved.
But, there is no account of it occurring.
Neither Adam nor the Woman repented with Godly sorrow, but blamed, excused and were ashamed.
I have wondered if those two would be fit for an example of Hebrews 6.
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes oft upon it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receives blessing from God: But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Blood was shed in order to "clothe" them. God was the one who made the sacrifice on their behalf, just as God is the one who made the final sacrifice on our behalf. So yes, I think they were saved.
[SIZE=+0]Hebrews does not deal with what Adam and Eve did. It is speaking to the Jew.. It is speaking about someone who has all the proof that can be given and even took part in the ceremonies and feasts and still never gets saved, but walks away. There is no more that can be revealed to them to renew then again unto repentance.[/SIZE]
Adam and Eve both knew God, they walked with Him and after their fall He covered them. He did not cover them because they were cold. It is a symbol that they were saved and how all men must be saved.
I did NOT say that Hebrews was dealing with Adam and Eve, merely speculated if the application would work.
They were Jews in the sense that Abraham came from them (as well as all people).
They, and in particular Adam, certainly had more, knowledge, experience and face to face talks with God that any person other than Christ. ( "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;")
I don't know if Hebrews would or would not be an example.
I will say that they both would seem to fit the text quoted.
However, it is merely as much speculation on your part to contend that they are now in heaven as it is on mine that they may not.
You state that God covered them as a symbol. Perhaps that is true.
However, it could be stated that God saw that the material the two had selected was inefficient for the out of Garden experience they were to face, and, as the master designer creator, demonstrated man versus women fashion. Certainly humankind have put on fashion shows ever since.
It is all speculation.
I will be pleased to greet Adam should I see him in heaven. I might even slap him upside the head, first.
They were saved. They believed in the little revelation they were given. It's just that they had a fuzzy picture like Cain being the Christ
Do you really assume this by the limited appearance of Adam and Eve in the biblical narrative? Is it not possible that somethings about God et al are not even addressed in our scriptures?
You asked two questions. The first is asking my assumptions.
I do not assume, but I merely speculating.
There is no proof of redemption that I have found.
Because both Cain and Able brought sacrifices to the Lord, they had some thoughts of a need to make offerings to God.
But, that is as it is in all cultures. Humankind has always needed and performed some offering/sacrifices to their god.
Was it out of the imprint in the heart, or the training of Adam. The Scriptures are silent - one would have to speculate. And speculation is not proof.
The second question you asked is about something not addressed in Scriptures, to which I would reply that; I suppose that there are a great number of items not addressed in the Scriptures.
The Bible does not answer every question, such as the one in the OP.
For one to lock in an answer based upon supposition seems terribly weak.
Here is something that is not an assumption.
The Scriptures state that God would come to Adam to fellowship with him in the cool of the evening and they would walk and talk, together.
The Scriptures teach that no man has seen the Father except the Son.
Who daily walked with Adam in the cool of each evening?
OK, allow me to rephrase, as I was not intending "assume" to be an "assaultive" word. Is it your "speculation" that they were not "saved" or in anyway covered by the grace of God?
I think that was the point I was trying to make, the scriptural record is often silent on things that "we think we would like to know". As for these things, we are left only to our speculation.
God "took responsibility" for the fall of Adam and Eve,
therefore he did not condemn them but provided a
"covering" for them.
I can speculate of holding one view just as easily as holding the other.
Either view may be correct.
I have engaged in discussions holding the view that the covering was a "type" (picture) of salvation, and I have engaged in discussions from the view that the skins were nothing more than far more modest covering than what the oak leaves they held up over their privates.
As I stated at the beginning, the Scriptures are basically silent. Certainly, I would hope to see Adam and Eve in heaven. Will I? There is no specific indication one way or the other.
I just wondered if the scholarly folks on the BB might say definitively if the Hebrews verses could be applied.
Can you share more about the idea that "God 'took responsibility' for the fall of Adam and Eve?
How did God not condemn them, yet remove them from Eden, and pronounce harsh labor for both Adam and Eve?