We're getting cooler! Globally coldest year....

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  1. rbell

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    http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm

    Wow...this will bunch up Algore's depends if it holds up over time...

    From the article:

    BINGO!!!!!!!!!

    You cannot prove or disprove global warming/cooling without taking into account SOLAR ACTIVITY. It's our heat source! That's kinda important.

    It will be interesting to see if this data holds out, or if it is an abberation in our "warm period."
     
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    I wish these enviromentalists would make up their minds! Today I read there are new species being discovered in Artica, that have emerged since global warming. Scientists also accidentally killed the oldest living creature known, a four hundred year old clam. They killed it by taking it apart to count it's rings. Also discovered during an unusual snow melt.

    love,

    Sopranette
     
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    Man made global warming is a ruse to get nations to capitulate to the UN. If a cool down is happening they will still find a way to blame it on human activity. [​IMG]
    Keep your eyes open people or give up your freedoms.
     
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    I believe this is true.
    And I believe this floping, is science not taking everything into consideration, like the fact, there is a God.
     
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    What Rot. People exposing themselves as kooks. If you knew what Global Warming was - you would have kept your mouth shut and hope for being counted wise.

    Pro 17:28 (Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition):
    Euen a foole (when he holdeth his peace) is counted wise, and hee that stoppeth his lips, prudent.

    GW Deniers opt themselves out of the body politic.

    Politics = the art of determining who gets what stuff
     
  6. Crabtownboy

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    Trend??

    [B]One year does not make a trend.[/B]
     
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    This winter and last winter have been two of the coldest winters I remember having in Illinois. I would have welcomed a little global 'warming'.

    Plus it's been a crazy winter of up and down temperatures to the extreme.
     
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    I know people in the Netherlands, and they are having a very harsh winter.
     
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    Ed, I guess I will open my mouth and show my ignorance, here.

    I see a few things wrong with the currento pseudo-science of "global warming", as opposed to the real science that certainly, human activity has apparently contributed a bit to current conditions, and a short term increase in certain climate activity.

    First, the pseudo-science is predicated on three axioms.

    The first, acknowledges, at best, 'Deism', moves through 'pan-theism', and at worst, is athiestic, as though God (if there even is a god) does (or can do) nothing to this planet and universe.

    The second, is that we were at "optimum climate" a few years ago [Note! No one can (or will) say exactly when this was, only that it was.] and we are headed irretrievably toward disaster. In fact, this type of thinking (and discussion) is even predicted in Scripture.
    The "scoffers" are all over the spectrum, here, from those who are scoffing at the claims, basically, as you mentioned, to those who are at the complete other end of the spectrum, claiming man has everything to do with what is happening, completely ignoring that some things may be 'natural' and cyclical in nature. ("Don't mess with 'Mother Nature' and attempt to change anything in any manner!') That's an unspoken pantheism, in that "Nature" is considerd to be god, by default.

    The third, an assumption, at best, is that the sun's 'output' (read temperature and radiation) is always constant, meaning it has no influence on earth's climate, which is completely unsupportable, as we have no certain way of knowing (or predicting) what the energy output of the sun is, or if it varies, and that is not taken into account at all, in this 'construct'. I suggest empirical data is supporting that the output has increased at least a bit, recently, as there is evidence of 'global warming' on Mars, with the retreat of the Martian 'ice-caps',as additional radiation from the sun reaches that planet, and even some of the "Land Rovers" have already reached about double their expected and predicted life (they run on batteries re-charged by the radiation received from the sun) and so far, at least, they just "keep on truckin'!".

    If this empirical data is true, the "laws of physics" would point to the earth receiving approximately 350% as much additional radiation (Read increased "global warning", here.) as Mars, during this "solar cycle". The reason(s) for this is the earth has some four times more area to absorb this radiation, and the mean distances from the sun of 93M mi. for Earth vs. 140M mi. for Mars. Radiation varies as the square of the distance, I believe, if my memory from my HS science class holds.

    I'm fairly sure, as a Christain, that God is perfectly able to turn the temperature of the sun up or down a degree or two, as He chooses!

    So I do accept the real science, in that man has some influence on climate and nature, just not the pseudo-science and fear mongering (Read AlGore & Co. with the 'Doomsday' forecasts.) And I'll also say that I've seen some of the coldest years on record, here in KY and some of the warmer ones, as well, in my 60 years on this planet. It's not a lot of fun to have to feed cattle in the winter, at a lower temp. than - 20* F, and I've done it. It's also not a lot of fun to have to feed them in knee-deep mud, because it has not gotten cold enough to freeze the ground sufficiently for trucks and tractors to operate well in, and I've done that, as well.

    Ed
     
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    A very informative post Ed, I might add the following;
    [​IMG]

    Revelation 16:8&9
    8And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
    9And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
     
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    Well, we’ve had Rachel Carson’s "Silent Spring" published in 1962, credited with launching the environmental movement, and the worldwide ban on DDT. A ban which caused the deaths of millions of Asians and Africans since then. Good thing we took action huh?

    In 1967, there was William and Paul Paddock’s book "Famine 1975," in which they said it was impossible for food production to keep up with population growth, and predicted, "The Population-Food Collision is inevitable; it is foredoomed."

    Paul Ehrlich’s "The Population Bomb" (1968) informed us that "The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s and 1980s, hundreds of millions of people will starve to death" we were told. Far from starving, food is much cheaper, adjusted for inflation, than in the 1960s.

    In the 70’s, a group of statisticians at Harvard wrote a report entitled, "Limits to Growth," modeling the future based on world population and finite resources. The report’s authors projected that all the world supplies of zinc, gold, tin, copper, oil, and natural gas would be completely exhausted in 1992.

    In April 1975, Newsweek said that leading climate scientists were "almost unanimous" in their predictions of global cooling. Time Magazine had "The Coming Ice Age" on its cover, and the November 1976 issue of National Geographic had an article on the problem of global cooling.

    Also in the 70’s we had ‘The Coming Dark Age’ by Roberto Vacca, ‘The Coming Bad Years’, by Howard Ruff. And of course the Granddaddy of them all, "The Late Great Planet Earth" by Hal Lindsey (1970).

    Excuse me if we don’t all buy into the latest Consensus. Even at the risk of being called a kook.






     
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    //Paul Ehrlich's "The Population Bomb" (1968) informed us that "The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s and 1980s, hundreds of millions of people will starve to death" we were told. Far from starving, food is much cheaper, adjusted for inflation, than in the 1960s.//

    Amen, Brother -- that's another proof of Global Warming and what to do about it.

    Large countries like the USofA changed their behavior because they believed Paul Ehrlich's warning. I typed out a few book reviews of THE POPULATION BOMB (that was pre-personal computer /pPC/ times). Richard Nixon was the president when this book came out. Richard Nixon, though he didn't really care for the USSR, made American wheat so cheap on the overseas market that the USSR was selling it back to the USofA (in years where they had enough to feed their own people) AT A PROFIT. Needless to say, Regan stopped that practice and the USSR went bankrupt under it's own weight.
     
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    EdSutton: //("Don't mess with 'Mother Nature' and attempt to change anything in any manner!') That's an unspoken pantheism, in that "Nature" is considerd to be god, by default.//

    Actually that isn't pantheism's teaching at all. Those who believe in the Mother Earth Goddess (Pagan) say "Don't mess with 'Mother Nature' " because they know the Mother Earth goddess will NOT LET MANKIND get away with abusing of her. The culprit is going to be the Sky god followers (known to you as Christians, especially those who make a pain of themselves telling all the god Pagans that they are 'sinners'. The obvious sinners are those who are violating the Mother Earth goddess. Sorry Bubba Ed -- you are the one Mother Earth goddess has to get rid of.

    Personally I take it personally. Other 'Eds can take it as they want.
     
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    A lot of what passes for "Consensus" is little more than the collective and accumulated ignorance of generations!

    Like to hear a couple or four?

    "Well informed people know it is impossible to transmit the voice over wires and that were it possible to do so, the thing would be of no practical value." (Editorial in the "Boston Post" - 1865) [​IMG]

    "Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible." (Lord Kelvin, ca. 1895, British mathematician and physicist) Just for information, a fully loaded USAF B-52 bomber lifts off weighing a bit over 240T. For comparison, the A-380 Airbus can lift off at the small gross wt. of over 1,000,000# or >500T.; the Space Shuttle lifts off the launch pad at the featherweight poundage of nearly 4 1/2 million pounds or over 2200 Tons. The first 'flyer' 'flight' in 1903, with Orville Wright, weighed in at about 750# with pilot. FTR, the Wright brothers had predicted in only two years earlier in 1901, even while working on the planes, that man probably would not fly in their lifetime. Lord Kelvin, shouldda' stuck to figuring out and explaining why a bumblebee and a hummingbird cannnot hover and fly. [​IMG]

    "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."(- Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943.) Bill Gates and Microsoft® sure have made an awfully lot of money on those five computers! (I wonder who has the other four, besides the one we have?) :confused:

    And one of my personal favorites:

    "Reagan doesn't have the Presidential look." (United Artists executive in 1964, rejecting Ronald Reagan as President in the movie, "The Best Man.") :laugh:



    Out of curiosity, without looking it up, how many posters on the BB know who actually played the starring role as President in the movie, "The Best Man"?? Hint: He also played a well known Senator in another setting. Trust me! I looked it up, for I had absolutely no clue beforehand, nor do I recall ever hearing the actor's name.

    Ed
     
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    Let's see....from memory, the Bible has much to say about 'fools' and foolishness.

    The fool hath said in his heart 'there is no God.'
    The wisdom of man is foolishness to God.
    He that calleth a brother 'thou fool' is in danger of hell fire.
    The preaching of the gospel is foolishness to man.

    The Bible has much to say about the times we live in today. One may ask how do I know this? Daniel, Ezekial, John in Revelations, recorded in the Spirit the words of God, saw visions and revelations which they did not understand, and which were difficult to describe because it was unlike anything they knew; ... which were said to them, the understanding would be closed until that time when it would be revealed: Now we can read these scriptures with increasing understanding and see the similarity of description with the possibility of the technology and events of today.

    Real time events can be published by tv as they are happening to all the world: Computers are capable of storing information and data and sorting and tracking on each and every person: Satellites and space craft are capable of veiwing the earth, from space, within the definition of 3 inches on the surface: Germs and virus capable of causing disease can and are being 'invented' in the laboratory: Nuclear war has already been used: Plants and FOOD CROPS are being genetically altered: And weather is being manipulated by releases of chemicals by planes and by altering fields of energy in the atmosphere. Much is covert occurrance, and the 'whistleblowers' -true patariots, are being effectively silenced by censoring and control of major media, character assasination and inuendo, threats, accidents, and murder, and ridicule by people who are otherwise 'decent and good' but who accept the mantras of propaganda and the politically correct and parrot popular 'opinion' as fact.

    When considering information we receive and believe, we should always be questioning 'is this true?' Who says what? Why? Is this information necessary? and to what purpose? Who benefits? Who is challenged? What does it do to change or alter what I know about people and God from God's point of view? (If it moves one to change from what the Spirit teaches you in God's Word... it is deceptive. If it opens up the understanding and is confirmation of something which once was veiled in God's Word then it is worth study and consideration as truth.) Remember the contrast of popular opinion with the truth, for narrow is the way and few find it.

    I feel there is so much more to be said but will conclude with this:

    God is sovereign.
    God's ways are not man's ways.
    Man wants to be in control..... or 'become like God'.
    We err when we seek the counsel and wisdom of each other and fail to consult with our Heavenly Advisor for guidance and revelation.
    In the Last Days, many will depart from the Faith: Many 'wonders' will occur by which deception will tempt the very elect.
     
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    Opening Post site sez:
    // Snow cover over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China is greater than at any time since 1966. //

    Oklahoma has more icy days Nov 2007-Jan 2008 than any other years SINCE 1889 (start of record keeping) - this was due to WARMNESS. Hello, snow (north part of the USofA) and ice (the south part of the USofA) are due to warm (relatively) air (in the great plains that comes from the Gulf of Mexico meeting cold air High that forms over the land (in the USofA that is North Canada). This large amount of snow cover means that the northern hemisphere is warmer than usual.

    The Average World Temp is like 0.0°C (32°F)
    If the average goes down 3.0°C, and ice age shall insue. If the average goes up 3.0°C runaway Global Warming will be occuring.

    Opening Post site sez: // According to the NCDC, the average temperature in January "was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average." //
    Sorry, one month doesn't mean squat.

    Where I live Global Warming is obvious. Somewhere else may be cooling. One effect of Global Warming is more extremes.

    //Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases.//

    Yep, so maybe we are supposed to have a mini-cold age (predicted in the early 1950s and 1960s) but we aren't -- because of Global Warming.


    BTW, one of the effects of a Nuclear War (only five or six dozen nukes need be exploded at ground level) is a Nuclear Winter. In case Global Warming starts changing Earth's Climates -- there would be a warmer Nuclear Winter, if some one has scheduled a Nuclear War or two. Note that this weather upset will be caused by mankind, if it happens.

    Some say Isaiah 24:1-16 describes the first 3½-years of the Tribulation Period;
    Isaiah 24:16-23 describes the last 3½-years of the Tribulation Period.

    Deuteronomy 28:14-68 is a good general description of a Nuclear Winter.

    But hey, those who blindly follow Rush Limbaugh will suffer with him. I'm not even sure he his a Christian???
     
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    Gobal warming and global cooling...... it is all a smoke screen to create anxiety and to justify regulations and international agreements of globalism.

    Weather and climate change are not the same. Climate change is disputable and it is long term. The weather is shorter term with frequent and rapid changes. Weather produces much of the evidence cited to prove 'global warming' but 'global warming' is 'climate' not weather. The weather is being manipulated, and that is known by certain persons like Al Gore. But get him to talk about that. He wont and he will deny.

    What the Lucerferian Globalists wont tell you is a more sinster plot of genocide to reduce the world population to the control of servitude for the elite. Controling the weather, drouts occur and floods occur to destroy crops. Fuel expense is a prohibitive cost to farm productions before a crop is brought to harvest.

    Corporate control over the chemicals 'recommended by experts' to farmers has led to the same companies developing genetically altered seeds, patented and designed to work with their chemicals. Genetically altered grains (I consider the word 'adulterated' is more correct) include rice, soybeans, and corn. Genetic alteration is different from 'hybrid'. A 'hybrid' plant may or may not produce viable seed, but the viable seed will not come up as the 'hybrid' but with a 'cousin'. Genetically altered plants may interfer and cross pollinate with the non genetically altered crops, creating an alteration of genetics and alteration in production: Furthermore, genetically altered seeds are 'patented' and protected from seed saving programs which has been customary within farming economy. (This is where the farmer saves some seed from one year to plant the next year's crop.)

    Noone knows for sure what effects the genetically altered food may have on animals or humans BUT the government is accepting the industries' reports that it is 'safe' and not requiring labeling or testing to determine if there is causation of toxicity or alteration in nutritional value and support to the health of consumers.

    The seed storage in Norway is now in the news. Each country is responsible for sending collections of its seeds. Because of WAR, the collections of Afganhistan and Iraq are already 'lost'. Their food crops are primarily at the mercy of the available seeds from other areas. The seed storage in Norway is not an accident: Is it in anticipation of a nuclear event? or a crop failure due to genetically alterations or disease? Who knows? The thing I find fascinating, it is touted as impervious to almost every disaster man can imagine. Then I think of the Lithuania, the Titannic, the Pentagon, 9-11 and the WTC. I think 'man makes his own plans and ........
    ......................................God laughs.
     
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    Amen, Brother Gold Dragon -- Preach it! :thumbs:

    I"m sure glad this hot box earth is NOT MY HOME.
    I'm heaven bound.
    I live in Central Oklahoma where a call to God is A LOCAL CALL.

    \o/ Praise Hasheem! \o/
     
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