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What about the nature of version selections

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Ken4JC, May 4, 2004.

  1. Trotter

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    Amen, Skan, amen.
     
  2. Trotter

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    Ken4JC,

    Good luck getting a discussion going that doesn't quickly degrade into "My Bible can whup your Bible".

    No matter what the subject in the BV/T forum, somebody turns it into a KJVO/non-KJVO brawl.

    Personally, I love good debate, but, in the end, those 'brawls' become shouting matches. Pity, too. My heart aches for some who are so indoctrinated in their pet beliefs that they won't even look anything else, like reason.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
  3. HankD

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    James 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

    Would you be willing to have a dialogue concerning "the worst of the worst"?

    If so what is "the worst" Ken?
    If you don't want to answer, thats OK, FWIW I won't be offended.

    I will be traveling over the weekend from Friday AM to Sunday PM, so it will possibly be Monday before I can reply.

    HankD
     
  4. robycop3

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    Ken4JC, if you wish to use the KJV as your only personal Bible, fine. But if you tell someone else who uses another version or versions, including or not including the KJV that he/she's using the wrong Bible, or worse, "You don't got no Bible", that's where you cross the line. If you're not guilty of this, no prob. But many of us here *KNOW* the KJVO myth is false, and, as we Christians have a D-U-T-Y to fight any and all false doctrines, we attack it hard.

    We patiently await the slightest scad of evidence in favor of the KJVO myth.
     
  5. Ken4JC

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    As stated by: skanwmatos
    There is not a single shred of academically unequivocal evidence to support KJVO from any credible source.

    As stated by: robycop3
    Ken4JC, if you wish to use the KJV as your only personal Bible, fine. But if you tell someone else who uses another version or versions, including or not including the KJV that he/she's using the wrong Bible, or worse, "You don't got no Bible", that's where you cross the line. If you're not guilty of this, no prob. But many of us here *KNOW* the KJVO myth is false, and, as we Christians have a D-U-T-Y to fight any and all false doctrines, we attack it hard.

    We patiently await the slightest scad of evidence in favor of the KJVO myth.

    Ken4JC
    That is why the debate is impossible, any source that dose not agree with your opinion is not (sic) ‘credible source’. So when you say (sic) ‘We patiently await the slightest scad of evidence in favor of the KJVO myth.’ I think you are telling me; we patiently await the slightest quote from our stack of anti KJVO approved data that is in evidence of favor supporting the KJVO view. I 100% agree that this will never happen. Let me offer a small example of this from another more common viewpoint, the Roman Catholic would say that there is not a single shred of academically unequivocal evidence to support anti Roman Catholic positions from any credible source. So the Roman Catholic has closed the door to any dialogue that would be called debate. They are 100% correct that no one can find a certified by them credible source that would say that they are not right in every antichristian doctrine that the tradition of the Roman Catholic church has to offer. Your given positions are no better than that, and hold no more credibility in debate. I will also offer that the volume of information from the KJVO side has similar credibility gaps in debate. Again, I do not think that this point has any real base in a common pool of evidence and at the end of the day it is a heart choice. I cannot offer more than my own testamony in faith; you can only do the same. The only real difference from my view I have a foundation provided by God to stand on that is in my hand you do not. I study what the Bible has to say, you study to find what MV might be right then you have to have some pope like scholarship to find the ‘truth’ from the scholarship of your accepted and unimpeachable source. I can say correct me from the Holy Bible, but I could never hope to be given a chance of cross-examination of the foundation that you offer. The foundation is in question not you as a people, I think you love, truly seek God but so do the RC, JW, UPC and LDS. And each of them have a MV that is dear to the heart, and a pool of scholarship that is unimpeachable and exclusive in any debate so no debate is real or brings a conclusion to change the body of information provided. The only conclusion that can be made is that we have two viewpoints, and they are clearly not the same in any way. Only God could prove this for me, and it will be the same for each individual that looks at this problem as presented. I do not think that my retreat to a KJB board will help me any more than your retreat to a MV board has helped you. :D
     
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    Not to worry, it never does bother
    me to be totally ignored.

    [​IMG]
     
  7. Ken4JC

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    Not to worry, it never does bother
    me to be totally ignored.

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    </font>[/QUOTE]I do not ignore you Ed, BTW how many more threads will you put this post in? I agree that the 1611AV quotes getting kicked on a IFB board is very funny, but then they are not KJB they are KJB+. :D
     
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    It's a good thing all of them stick together. We wouldn't wanting them to stir up trouble like they have done and become laughing stock. Even the non-believers who understand translation laugh at them. What a witness for Jesus to the non-believing world!
     
  9. Ed Edwards

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    Which of the definitions here:

    Definitions of KJVonly

    do you see yourself as?
    I see myself as KJVO#1.
    I see you as KJVO#4.
    Brother Skanwmatos is like KJVO#3.
    (why do people keep lumping him
    with me? At least he is a good man
    to be lumped with [​IMG] )
    You say those who booted me off for quoting
    the KJV1611 edition are like KJVO#5.

    Ken4JC: "BTW how many more threads will you put this post in?"

    As many times as in which i might use such a sad occassion to
    further the discussion.
    Did i mention i used to send my Daughter to an
    Independant Fundamental Baptist (IFB) church school?

    Does anybody remember the subject of this
    Topic might be similar to the topic title?
    Topic title is: What about the nature of version selections.

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Ken4JC

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    Ed, as for the topic - I think that was smashed in two pages. This has been turned into yet another KJB-v-MV; I am only chatting with you - not for or against. [​IMG] I am most likely fitting the KJB #4 rule, only I do not think you have to have a KJB to become regenerate or that having or not having a KJB is a part of salvation. As the IFB are ‘independent’ and could have a variation that I have not seen yet I would only hope to share what I have found in Champaign Urbana IL and on the www.onlinebaptist.com they are what I call KJB label only. The truth that seems to prevail is that they are KJB only till it crosses the appointed higher authority, and then the Greek and Hebrew and corrections come out like an ax. If you point to the man behind the curtain (ref to the Wizard of OZ) they get very mad and act the part of any other papal service in the ripping of robes and howling heretic. I am much more able to move around on that BB, but they keep a close eye on my post; they have not yanked me yet. But I do not think they will, as I have no real reason to rock the boat. I do not intend any violence to this board, and hope that I will not get kicked too soon. I am just Baptist, I seek to serve the Lord and hope to share the way to a real change in life for others. Jesus is the Way and the Truth and the Life (John 14:6) God is the only true Judge, I need the Word of God to cut to the joints of my own motivation in action or speaking. I hope, hunger and desire for fellowship like any of you. I am much to human to even think that I am right in points of ‘Bible’ and if it is not in the ‘Bible’ and clear to me I might dare to pray an think I have some grand idea of what it means but as soon as the ‘Bible’ comes clear my petty view is trash I would rather look like a fool running to my loving Fathers arms than be the ‘mighty I am right’ and dead for nothing more than a clever idea or comfort zone of some unfounded tradition. :cool: [​IMG]
     
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    OK, let's get back to the topic, the nature of version selection.

    For private study, I use the NKJV, Nasb, NIV, KJV, & AV 1611, though not necessarily in that order. When asked to speak(I am not a pastor or preacher by current definition)I may make notes and quotes from any or all of those versions, except that if I know the audience is largely-elderly(I visit nursung homes quite a bit)I'll generally use the KJV as it's the most familiar version to older Americans. If I know there are immigrants in the audience, I'll stick with modern versions, as the immigrant may have difficulty understanding the KJV's archaic English.

    In other words, I select which version(s) to use for the job at hand.
     
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    I spent an hour answering every one of Ken's fallacies and the idiotic software of the Baptist Board dumped the entire post into cyber never-never land. This place has got to be the worst administered bulletin board on the entire internet. It constantly deletes hours of hard work. Satan must be rejoicing today that terrible error stands uncorrected. What a waste.
     
  13. Ken4JC

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    Thank you for the information, so then do you ever get a chance to talk with anti-Christian people who use other versions to prove an extra scriptural point? As they pull away from the revelation of the Word of God, how do you choose a good foundation for closing the gap? [​IMG]
     
  14. Charles Meadows

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    Skan,

    Must you spit fire on EVERY thread?? :confused: :confused:
     
  15. Ken4JC

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    skanwmatos – I apologize for offending you, as a small and not very good excuse I would offer that having no church to attend and getting regular mashing from anti-KJV, neo-KJV and neo-evangelicals I am way to quick to flip down my KJV visor and pull my sword in attack mode. I am KJVO #4, but it is a heart thing. I chose not to debate that point ok. [​IMG] Charles Meadows, it is like the 'legend of the black pearl’ I probably deserve that one. :D
     
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    Ken4JC:I spent an hour answering every one of Ken's fallacies and the idiotic software of the Baptist Board dumped the entire post into cyber never-never land. This place has got to be the worst administered bulletin board on the entire internet. It constantly deletes hours of hard work. Satan must be rejoicing today that terrible error stands uncorrected. What a waste.

    Ken, most OSs have a "copy" feature, and almost every public forum domain does the same thing, that is, dumping some posts which you've taken a lotta time to compose. It has NOTHING to do with any board's admin.I learned long ago to automatically COPY any lengthy post I make on ANY board. (Yahoo is especially notorious for dumping them!)

    As for the terrible error, care to elaborate?
     
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    Ken4JC:Thank you for the information, so then do you ever get a chance to talk with anti-Christian people who use other versions to prove an extra scriptural point? As they pull away from the revelation of the Word of God, how do you choose a good foundation for closing the gap?

    Simple-the prophecy fulfilled within the lifetimes of many of us. Just ask any older person if he/she woulda thought the Jews would have their own sovereign nation again, let alone be a great military power.
     
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    As I have told my wife for years: You give me any position, no matter how crazy, and I can find Scripture to back it up.

    What these "anti-Christians" do is the same as what I told my wife. Take a verse, out of context, and twist it (or a portion of it) to say what you want.

    And as for them using some 'other' version, most that I have encountered were using the KJV.

    As they pull away from the revelation of the Word of God

    Neat switch. "The revelation of the Word of God"? So, since they (in this hypothetical situation) are using some other translation besides the KJV, they are pulling away from the 'Word of God', aka the King James Version? Really slick. You any kin to Willy?

    And as for a good foundation for closing the gap, I have found that it is much more effeciveto use the very translation they are relying on instead of trying to reason from a different one. When you try to use one different from theirs, they can fall back on the "translational differences" excuse...oh, but isn't that what the KJVOnlys do?

    No, I forgot. There are no other translations...

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
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    Hey, Trotter, I bet the KJVo's find a statement in the Hebrew using Bible-Code Software that using a different skip number between every letter, they will find: "Thou shalt use the Cambridge Version of the King James Version and thou shalt use it only. Thou shalt also call it the AV1611." Of course, not only will the "skip" number between each letter will be different, but the direction between each letter will also change. (Whatever it takes to come up with that statement.) SEE, there it is, right there in scripture! [​IMG]
     
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    That is the reason why I often type something important on another document and then save it.
     
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