What constitutes "marriage"?

Gina, what laws of the land did Jesus break?

 

To menageriekeeper: mk? Is that you?

I said nothing of what you're saying.

The Bible never condones divorce for lusting in one's heart, it says that if a person commits adultery, it CAN be a cause for divorce.
If you'd like to take it to that level, then also apply it to marriages you consider valid.

I'd like to try to accomodate you with a decent answer, but you're saying things I didn't say, and coming to a conclusion that I think that thing I didn't say is ok.

Stop that. LOL

Go back and read a bit more, there's obviously been a major misunderstanding, as I know it's not in your character to make assumptions. Seriously, not being smart aleck or anything, I honestly think there must be a post you're reading that wasn't mine, or a misunderstanding of what I really did say.

To Gregory: Come out from under there and fight like a man! (cranked up? you been listening to Jeff Owen sermons?)

To Frenchy: [Insult snipped. BB Posting rule 3 require you to show grace to your fellow posters.]

bapmom: not at all! I didn't feel much attacked, just a bit overwhelmed at the number of responses. However, I don't feel good and it's nice to just sit here and drink my tea and have conversation.

Yes, there are many who just want to live together with no commitment. I don't believe that a Christian would do this, and usually they will not say they are married. That's one really good indication of a person's heart when living together!
However, I do believe that if they are living together and having a consensual physical relationship, they may still be married in the eyes of the Creator. It doesn't mean they are not still sinning by their lack of dedication to each other and their willful lack of commitment to the Lord. It doesn't mean that God condones their behavior, or that their marriage is holy. Especially if they refuse to accept the marriage. And how much worse is it to then divorce without just cause?

Ok, I've already said all that.

Let's try this a different way.

Please state what you believe must happen for a couple to be considered married.

[ April 13, 2006, 02:58 AM: Message edited by: Bible-boy ]

 

Oh come on Gina what is your definition of FORNICATION and ADULTRY? let's hear how you justify your stance. God gave us a clear definition, bapmom and others have stated clearly what that is. So whats yours?

I will assume if you don't have one you are just pulling our leg.

Opinions mean nothing when ignoring God's word!

 

But the principle is to submit to governing laws. This is repeated in Romans 13. I think this implies that God wants us to validate marriage according to the laws of the land.

Which laws of the land did he break?

This was not violating the law of the land. He broke the Pharisees laws which were given to burden men.

I don't think I've broken any law against hate speech? There is no law in the U.S. that I know of that says I cannot discuss cults. I have not violated any U.S. law on hate speech. Please give evidence of such a law and show me how I have violated it if you are suggesting I have.

 

BTW, I don't mean to throw off the topic completely, but this does somewhat relate.

Here is a picture of a Roman coin.
LINK

There is some kind of story behind how it came to be with those words.

But, does anyone know what those words mean? It obviously has something to do with the name "god". With divinity.

Hopefully someone on here knows their coins, or at least knows the history of this.

It is sometimes said that when Christ said to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, that answer was just as impossible to figure out as the question. For...when you looked at the coin, it had Caesar's image and God's name.
Which one did he mean?

I don't know the truth of that though, but as that topic was brought up in here, I wanted to ask and see if people on here know if that is true or not.

 

Gina, you stated clealy on p. 4 that Jesus violated the laws of the land, and we were discussing civil laws. So I'm still waiting for an answer.

 

Marcia looks like we both will be waiting a long time

 

Frenchy: [Edited to remove personal attack. Debate the issue and do not attack the character of the person holding the opposing view.]

Marcia: The law for Christ was the Jewish law. The San...you know the spelling, lol, had authority, right? That is what I refer to.

Now, the job of secular government is what? Is it not to punish those that do wrong, to keep laws from being broken? Aren't the only valid laws to be those that keep the law?
What is the law?
The law is to not commit crimes that God tells us not to commit. The enforcement of law is to be for the benefit of the people, to keep them from harm. Is that not what the scriptures tell us, that those in authority have our safety in mind?
Does that ring true in the laws we have today?

I'm losing it a bit here, stretching some things, going beyond even what I really think, but I think these are valid ideas and thoughts. Maybe not what is, but things to think about when considering what to think of it all.

I do think this conversation is becoming more complicated than it needs to be.

The question basically asks about marriage and what makes one.

I answered it.

The idea of marriage is simple.

The real question is not all of this back and forth, the real question is what is marriage, and what constitutes a marriage.

I answered it. Simply.

Now for those who didn't, please do answer it before continuing.

[ April 12, 2006, 02:18 AM: Message edited by: Bible-boy ]

 

Gina, you stated clealy on p. 4 that Jesus violated the laws of the land, and we were discussing civil laws. So I'm still waiting for an answer. </font>[/QUOTE]Chill woman, I can only type so fast!

 

We were discussing civil law and you said Jesus violated those laws - the laws of the land. We were not discussing the Pharisitical rules.

This is what you said:

Why don't you just admit that Jesus did not break the laws of the land?

Also, since you implied I may have broken laws against hate speech, I am waiting for evidence of that as well.

 

Okay -- sorry!

 

No Gina i really don't care what you think about me. you sound awfully paraniod and for no good reason. i have done nothing wrong on this board to anyone, that has been verified by many. not only that if i was whoever you think i am and they posted just like me, i do not see them as the problem but you. i believe your posts and your "unbiblical" opinions and manners speak for themselves!

 

No Gina, the real question is what is your definition of FORNICATION and ADULTRY?

I see since you were not able to answer me, you pursued a personal attack once again. typical tactic of someone who doesn't have an answer. attack the messenger not the message

Just admit you are wrong on this and be done with it. or else give an explanation.

 

By the way Gina, i didn't read your [Snipped insult. BB Posting Rule 3 requires you to show grace to your fellow posters.] troll link. how old are you by the way?

[ April 13, 2006, 03:00 AM: Message edited by: Bible-boy ]

 

My simple answer is that marriage is a civil contract. God established the family, church, and civil government. For the Christian, marriage is overlaid with the truth that it is a picture of Christ and the Church.
But it is still a civil contract for the good of society. One of the prime reasons for such a contract is the welfare of the children it produces.
Since I believe you identify yourself as a Calvinist,I will note that my above definition was held by the Puritans and is, I believe, a typical Calvinist view of marriage.

Karen

 

doesn't anyone else want to know what Gina's definition of FORNICATION and ADULTRY is?
don't you think that would help all of us understand where she is comming from?

 

Yes, but right now I'd rather hear from her re my 2 questions, one of which I've asked 3 times.

What civil law did Jesus break?

What hate speech laws have I violated?

I will repost my posts on these questions tomorrow if I don't get an answer.

 

mk: yes, I am saying they can do it alone. I wouldn't recommend it, but I don't believe it invalidates a marriage to do so.
No, I believe divorce is much more difficult than marriage, and rightfully so. Even the civil courts make it much more difficult, although you have to admit, the scriptures do the best at making divorce nearly impossible.

Marcia: I may take until Friday to answer your question concerning the law. I went through this with someone about two months ago as far as looking up laws, and there's case law on it concerning putting down people because of their sexual orientation. It's listed in different wording, but it's effective and works the same as when you are able to call the authorities for racial discrimination by use of hateful words.

Frenchy: How did you know it was a stupid troll link, if you didn't read it? All it said was LINK
Are you pulling my leg? Did you really read it, and don't want to admit it?

RSR: Thanks for the definition of the inscription. I was not aware that Divinity (God) was put together with the name of Caesar. My mistake! That's why I asked though.
Still, people do use it to say it means we should pay taxes.
It seems to me that this passage would not be a correct one to use for that, since it wasn't exactly a clear answer, and obviously not meant to be.
What do you think?