What does it mean to reject faith in Christ for salvation?

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  1. IfbReformer

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    What does it mean to reject faith in Christ for eternal salvation?

    I realize that many on this board may have avoided this discussion that has been going on because they have seen it many times.

    But after everything is said and done, why does it matter, or does it matter?

    To the PB, whether we believe as they do or not has nothing to with our eternal salvation, because we don't even have to believe in order to be saved.

    But for those of us who reject the PB Gospel as false, why does it matter?

    I have run into many people at work, who of other Christian denominations, who believe that Christ is the way for them, but not the way for everyone else.

    Is belief in Christ as the only way part of a true, and thus saving belief in Christ?

    If someone rejects that faith in Christ is the only way to be eternally saved have they proven they do not have a saving faith?

    How important is this difference?

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  2. Frogman

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    Dear IBFReformer,
    Any PB will tell you that any regenerated child of God will believe in Christ when the gospel is presented to them.

    Any PB will tell you that anyone having the gospel presented to them who manifests no faith or interest at all, in essence exhibiting only outwardly rejection of the gospel has no reason for hope.

    Any PB will tell you it is not their place to make this eternal judgement upon any person.

    No PB will try to tell you there is redemption, remission of sins in any other name than the name of Jesus. But at the same time, any PB will seek to know why you or myself will believe that God deals in one way with ourselves yet another with infants and those unable to inelligently hear the gospel preacher.

    Therefore, any PB will affirm to you that God alone gives eternal life through His Only Begotten Son, that the only condition for this is that of the Second person of the Godhead taking flesh and fulfilling the law of God and offering himself through the eternal Spirit to God the Father.

    Now, what PB's beleive is that we have a need to preach repentance and remission of sins in HIS name; but not in order that the elect will either be effectually drawn, called or quickened, but rather that the elect will be drawn into the church [which to the PB belief is the kingdom].

    God effectually draws and regenerates man in spite of himself; God accomplishes this by the power of HIS Spirit alone.

    May God Bless,
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    So John Doe never hears the Gospel. Then hears it and rejects it, but God saves him anyway.

    THEN what? Every Scripture I find will support the idea that such a person then WILL believe, WILL call on the Lord, WILL believe by faith.

    God regenerates and gives salvation
    THEN
    Man responds by repentance and faith in Christ alone (Acts 4:12)

    To think that God regenerates John Doe and gives salvation
    THEN
    John Doe continues worshiping Buddha and never even hears the name of Christ

    . . is foreign to anything biblical I see.
     
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    Dear Brother Bob,
    I do agree with you. It is this fact that has prevented me from joining with the PB.

    I do believe that all the elect will hear and believe the Gospel.

    Remember that PB's do not declare that any who do not exhibit evidence of Regeneration upon hearing the Gospel and faith in Christ have no Biblical warrant for hope.

    The belief is a reconciliation (poor wording on my part) of the fact that we do teach and affirm that infants dying are elect. Are these somehow 'covered' by the atonement? If so, by what 'hearing' do they know of Christ? What expression of faith do they present before us? Do they possess the sin nature at birth, or do they sin and receive that nature later in life?

    Again, I do believe that all the elect will know Christ; I do not believe that all will believe the same church truths and I do not believe (obviously this is true) that all shall be able to fully rest in the atonement Christ has fulfilled; there are many who we all may know who dearly love the Lord and possess the fruit of repentance, possess all the marks of a child of God by evidence of their continued fruit, yet fear daily of their having falling away once again into a position of condemnation.

    Are these truly saved? Have they believed a true Gospel? Or have they received the quickening of God and have rejected the true Gospel?

    What measure of rejection is necessary to condemn a man?

    Bro. Dallas
     

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