What Happens if you are Not KJB only?

Hi Charles, you ask: "Craig,
Are you accusing Dr Bob Griffin of having made a blasphemous statement against the Holy Spirit??
That is not called for (not to mention WRONG).
I am also a "doctor" - and your comments border on offensive. Do you suggest that education is counterproductive?
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Charles, I can't answer for brother Craig, but I will give my own opinion. If a seminary education results in the good doctor telling us on the one hand that he can correct the Hebrew texts when he feels or thinks they have been corrupted by scribal errors, and that he essentially picks and chooses which readings in the N.T. he personally feels are the correct ones, and then in the face of all the totally different renderings, variant readings, and many absurd statements found in the multiplicity of conflicting bible versions, he can say, apparently with a straight face, that "all our bibles are inspired by the same Holy Spirit", then I would conclude that his education has turned his mind into mush and he has as much spiritual discernment in this area of Final Authority as a bowl of lime jello.

You may not agree with the statement made by another well known KJB defender, but I believe he is right in this. "If you mess with the Book, God will mess with your mind."


I believe we see this in Dr. Bob when he comes up with such pearls of wisdom as "all our Bibles are inspired by the same Holy Spirit."

This is ridiculous on its face; ignores Satan's opposition to and corrupting influence of the word of God, and the sinfulness of man in corrupting this same word.

So in one sense, Dr. Bob is blaming the Holy Spirit for all those errors, textual variants, additions, omissions, resulting confusion and outright goofy statements found in some of "our" bibles.

I think this may be what Preach It was saying, and I agree with him on this.

Will K

 

Hi Skanwmatos,

to answer your points.

One such lie is found in 2 Samuel 14:14. . . . In the course of their conversation the woman finally tells king David in 2 Samuel 14: 13 -14: "the king doth speak this thing as one which is faulty, in that the king doth not fetch home again his banished. For we must needs die, and are as water spilt on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again; NEITHER DOTH GOD RESPECT ANY PERSON: yet doth he devise means, that his banished be not expelled from him."
. . . Other Bible versions that read as the King James Bible are the Geneva Bible of 1599, . . . However when we get to the New KJV, the NIV and the NASB instead of "neither doth God respect any person" they read "YET GOD DOES NOT TAKE AWAY LIFE". This is a lie and a contradiction.
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"Just a couple comments. The confusion is not based on a difference in Hebrew texts. The meaning of the Hebrew is ambiguous. The most literal rending would read, "God does not take a soul away." So, either reading would give us the same general sense. God is not a respecter of persons so he does not take a soul (or life) away."


Skanwmatos, Hebrew words have many and sometimes opposite meanings. Even the NASB, NIV, NKJV render these same words as the KJB has them, but in other places. The Hebrew is frequently "ambiguous", and if you take a humanistic, naturalistic view of Scripture (as all do who do not believe the KJB is the preserved words of God) then one can come up with the meaning found in the nkjv, niv, nasb etc. But this meaning "God does not take away life" is a false statement and proves these versions to be false witnesses at this point.

Secondly, you said: " the Geneva bible reads "neither doeth God spare any person." You are claiming that is "like the KJV" but in my opinion it seems to be closer to the other versions rendering."

Sorry, skanwmatos, but I disagree. The context speaks of " we must needs die, and are as water spilt on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again;" and God doth not spare any person" would then be equivalent to the KJB meaning - not to the opposite meaning found in the nkjv, niv, nasb.

Will K

 

Your link contains some interesting material...
I read one article on it which misidentified the Hebrew word it was dealing with. I did not go any farther.
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And what would that word be, Charles?

Which article was it found in? If it is in error, please let me know so I can correct it or defend it. Thanks,

Will K

 

gb posts: Is the Jesus Christ in your bible the one who lied in John 7:8 NASB, ESV? The KJB, NIV, RV, and NKJV say: "Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up YET unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come"...verse 10 "But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret." But the NASB, ESV have Jesus saying: "I do NOT GO up to this feast... But when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up".

gb says:
I don't see your point. My NASU 95 reads, "Go up to the feast yourselves; I do not go up to this feast because My time has not yet fully come." 9 Having said these things to them, He stayed in Galilee. 10 But when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up, not publicly, but as if, in secret. "

Well gb, your Greek texts of Vaticanus and Sinaiticus differ from each other and some of your scholars went with one reading while the others went with the other. Problem is the nasb has Jesus saying He is NOT going to the feast, and then He does, while the correct KJB reading has Jesus saying He is NOT YET going to the feast, and then He goes later. In the one case Christ lied, and in the other He did not.


Can God be deceived as the NASB teaches in Ps. 78:36? The NASB says the children of Israel DECEIVED GOD with their mouths, but the NKJV, KJB, NIV, RV, ASV all say they "flattered" God with their mouths and lied unto Him. You can flatter God by saying nice things about Him but not letting Him control your behavior, but you certainly cannot deceive Him.

gb says:
Is not flattery a form of deceit? The MT has in the Hebrew "deceived" for the Piel form of the verb.
Just because you don't like the way it is phrased does not mean it is wrong."

gb, flattery is saying something nice about someone else in order to try to get something out of them and it is insincere. But God cannot be deceived. He can be flattered, but not deceived. The nasb is flat out wrong here and you are deceived if you don't see that. And I certainly am not flattering you when I tell you you are deceived.

It is one of several totally stupid and senseless renderings found in the nasb that shows it to be a false witness.

Will K

 

Hi Charles, you ask a good question.

"So, if you please, without railing out about "DOCTORS", ecumenism, or blasphemy - tell me why I (or anyone) should believe that the English KJV (and the underlying manuscripts) trump all else."

Charles, I was "backed into" the KJB position a few years ago. I once thought that all bibles were essentially the same too, but that was out of ignorance and not taking the word of God seriously and really believing what the Book says about itself.

God promised to preserve His words till heaven and earth pass away. God cannot lie. So if I find lies or false statements in a "bible version", then I know this is not where God's pure words lie. One by one the versions were eliminated in my mind till I was left with only one Book standing. That is the King James Bible. They all cannot be true at the same time when they are so different. Most people have never really compared the various versions to see just how different they really are, and most people do not really believe what God says about His words. I didn't before, but now I do.

Hope this helps some.

Will K

 

Is it time to put this mean-spirited thread out of its misery?
HankD

Hank, I think the only misery you are feeling is the realization that your case for no inspired, inerrant words of God on this earth, and every man is a scholar unto himself position is being bashed into little pieces and shown to be the nonsense of unbelief and pride of intellect that it really is.

The essential emptiness and vanity of your side is being revealed and this is the misery you now sense. Maybe Dr. Bob will once again step in and close this topic down like he did the last time, and save you any further discomfort.

Will K