I would like to comment on something that I have observed several times in the various discussions over creation/evolution. Many points of discussion are of course subjective and it is impossible to prove a point one way or the other. However, there are quite a number of claims made by creationists which are of a factual nature, and if one wants to continue the discussion to a conclusion, it is possible to show, in at least some instances, that the creationist claims are factually wrong. One such instance is the claim about the C-14 dating method that is made by a Trevor Major and is quoted approvingly on the Setterfield web site. In another case, also on the Setterfield web site, they link to a discussion about C-14 which is grossly mistaken. Briefly the claim by Trevor Major, apparently accepted by the Setterfields, is that in C-14 dating, there is an assumption that the production of C-14 has been constant over time. Nothing could be further from the truth. There is no such assumption by those who use C-14 dating. But what I want to point out here is the behavior of Creationists when there is no way out, when their claims are exposed as mistaken. What normally happens is that the creationist breaks off discussion and will simply not respond to the exposure of the mistake. I have had this happen many times with creationists such as Helen, Bert Thompson, and Jonathan Sarfati. The last one works for Answers in Genesis. They are willing to discuss/debate the points only as long as they are not taking a beating in the discussion, but once the creationist realizes that they have made a factual error, they never admit it but instead break off discussion, rather than admit to their mistake. I have asked Helen a number of times to correct the mistaken material on their web site related to C-14. She won't even discuss the matter and will not defend their claims.