What is a Bible to Look Like?

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So, now Bibles from Thomas Nelson are bad.... I carried a KJV Thomas Nelson when I was a teen... with questions and answers about various things in the front of it.... NO wonder I turned out bad, huh?

What about Zondervan? After all, don't the owner also own Fox network?

BTW, I have been to these grace robbing sites many, many times...
I know what they say... the same half truths your husband is trying to promote here on BB... BTW, do you know the page numbers that SFIC is refusing to give us?

 

This is but one of the many posts that reference the Word of God on IPods, cell phones, computers, etc... Where in the world did you get the idea that I was against these? Not a single day goes by that I do not read the Word of God on my computer. Do you realize how irrelevant this is to the topic at hand?

 

Bob, I think we all are reacting to this quote...

Where it seems Linda is limiting the Bible to something like this...

 

Is there a point to be made here? Are you disputing the fact that a scroll is not a Bible? For your information, they hid the Word of God in their heart like we are to today. Simply read it and heed it.

Really? From what did you draw that conclusion? I've had dozens of Bibles; not one of them is in scroll format. In fact, the very nature of the scroll makes it impossible to put it into a book (Bible). First, they must be translated and put on pages.

 

What SFIC is doing is one of two things:

1. Deliberately lying.
2. Taking a quote so far out of context so that he can "prove" his point.

Which one are you doing, SFIC?

 

you're not saying our printing & binding methods are equivalent to Scripture, are you?

 

These are your claims. Again, you're either (a) lying, or (b) horribly abusing context.

 

I think we can be safe to assume that our brother is not "deliberately lying." To accuse someone of lying just because you don't agree with his point of view is not good debate tactics. It is also not good Christian behavior.

In all the years I have been apart of the Baptist Board, I have discussed several topics with people whom I believed to be misinformed. Not once have I ever accused them of lying. It's just not good form.

 

I'm sorry, friend, I sincerely do not understand this question.

 

Pastor Bob, I don't believe Ipod/phone/electronic Bibles to be irrelevant in the least. I believe they are very relevant for this one reason: We adults like to access the Word in a manner that is pleasing/convenient to us. Yet a Bible that is pleasing to a teen is considered worldly.

Are not computers/technology worldly by their very definition? Do pornographers not trade their trash via electronic means? You think there is no fashion advice being promoted via the internet? The internet/electronic devices are use to promote a host of worldly material.

In the same way you condemn a magazine inspired Bible, you should by the same logic be condemning electronic Bibles.

You say, this magazine (Revolve) is fashioned after worldly styles of magazines. Well, electronic/internet Bibles are based on the same code as any other electronically produced material. None of it came directly from Christian sources. Some computer geek out there sat down and wrote code that would allow us to see printed material on our computer screens and other geeks adapted that same code for their own uses. Can you prove the originator of the code was Christian? Of course not. But we use this worldly inspired code everyday only fine tuning it so it serves our uses as Christians.

In the same way, the publishers of Revolve, took a look at the style of reading material teens were actually reading and fine tuned that for the use of Christians.

I understand all about worldly. I was raised by folks with your same ideas and yet they couldn't explain worldly any better than you and they too fall back into the same "you just don't get it" attitude when pushed for an answer. It's not that we don't "get it". As I've said before, we don't believe it because of the apparant double standard when the object of the conversation changes slightly. In this case, we've slightly changed the object of the discussion from printed matter to electronic and look at the change in your attitude.

Standing Firm, I'm with rbell and Tim here, you need to put up or close up and apologize for dessiminating false information.

If you wish to debate the merits of a teen examining other versions of the Bible with their parents as an advisable thing to do when there is disagreement, by all means do so. I stand by my statement that it is NOT disobedience to question a parents beliefs and the proper way to deal with such is to discuss the issue(whether it be Bible versions or dress codes).

It may be that there are parents who will not discuss the issue and Revolve clearly says this is one time for the teen to leave off and do what the parent asks. You dont want my opinion of parents who refuse to discuss issues of this nature with their young people.

 

Refresh ment needed...please

Pastor_Bob....would you mind too awful refreshing this OP? I for one from the beginning hae not seemed to grasp the point and purpose of it. Just call me dumb or whatever, but even after reading and also some re-reading, and especially with all of the de-rails, I am rather confused as to the meaning behind this thread.

Thank you, J.Wayne

 

My point I am trying to make is that God can use any format He wants to in order to reach people.

He used Scrolls in the first century... And not everyone had all 66 books.. but people were saved by the thousands...

Along came the printing press... now anyone in America can have any version of the Bible they want.

(What is really sad is the fact that we are debating what types of Bibles are appropriate, when people around the world are dying and going to Hell for lack of the knowledge of Christ... I bet you would agree that it would be a good thing to even get a Biblezine in someone's hand that had never heard of Christianity)

Move ahead to the 20th, 21st century... we have many study bibles... that address many demographics... Women's bible, men's bibles... teen Bibles... (even the NLT and the NIV Student Bibles have the same type of articles that the Biblezines have... Actually the NLT student Application Bible has a full page dealing with sex in the middle of the book of Song of Solomon.... It is a good article, I might add)

Now we have computer bibles, mp3 bibles, DVDs, CDs, etc...

BTW, I am looking for a free MP3 Bible to download from the web.

Who knows what the future holds if Christ tarries...

Holographic Bibles, etc....
Programs where you can interact with Bible Characters in a holographic setting... IOWS, imagine sitting on the mount listening to Christ's sermon.
Or on Mars Hill, listening to Paul... or on the boat with Jonah... or the disciples....

We are moving to a more visual people...

And God will meet the people's needs.

I have enough old school in me to love sitting down with an old fashioned leather bound bible for a good read...

But I am young enough to appreciate God's moving in ways that reach out to younger people.

My point? God is God... and He is strong enough to preserve, protect, and promote his word.. without our approval.

 

You are reading far more into my position than is there. I am not against Bibles that are "pleasing" to teens. The very Word of God should be pleasing. We should long for God's words more than our daily food. I am against dressing the Word of God up so that it looks like the world.

"Earthly" perhaps, but certainly not "worldly."

Totally irrelevant. Would you visit a pornographic site that happens to offer a biblical text? That would be a good way to get a lot of perverted men (and sadly enough, women) to read the Word of God. Just package it with whatever their flesh is drawn to. That is the whole point. Where do you draw the line?

I don't believe that I dogmatically condemned "magazine" Bibles. I simply choose to reject magazine Bibles that look like worldly magazines (by the publisher's own intent and admission).

Again, you are confusing "worldly" with "earthly."

You are not being consistent. This is not what manufacturers of digital Bibles did. They simply offered the Word of God to be used on the computer. They didn't package it in a worldly package. There are no worldly pictures on my Bible program. If a worldly picture shows up on my computer, it is because I made a choice to bring it up; not because it was packaged with my Bible program.

Please tell me how I explained "worldly." Then, using Scripture, please explain to me your concept of "worldly."

My attitude has changed none throughout this entire debate. I merely pointed out the inconsistency in an argument being leveled that was totally irrelevant. It was a straw-man.

 

Oh, come on... tell us your opinion!! :laugh:

I'll tell you mine...
Parents that refuse to listen to their children are not parents at all, but dictators that are provoking their children to wrath.

I have seen them... and I abhor those parental styles. It causes rebellion in their children.

 

Sure, friend. This thread is actually an addendum to the thread entitled The Translators Intent. In that thread, I asked the question if others felt that the KJV Translators had in mind what I consider to be a worldly packaged Bible version. It, by the publisher's own admission, is fashioned after worldly teen magazines. I invite you to read that thread as well if you'd like. Be fore-warned, there are many "de-rails" there too.

 

I don't have words strong enough, Tim, but you description works just fine.

I was raised with such parents and the bitterness that was left in me after I escaped took years of prayer to get over enough that I could simply visit them without being physically ill. It took more years of prayer before I could "honor" them enough to see that they were caring for themselves properly (remember my mother is mentally ill on top of all). And I refuse to worship with them to this day. I will not have my children exposed to such.

Enough on that topic.

Off topic completely: Is anyone else offended by the heaven or hell ad at the bottom of the page? I'm afraid of what I might get into should I click on it long enough to report it.

 

Agreed.

No one had all 66 books.

You would win that bet.

But, what we don't have are Bibles that look like Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, etc... Granted, this is an extreme example, but the justification is the same. It would certainly reach a people group that wouldn't normally read the Bible. Again I ask, where do we draw the line when we start packaging the Word of God to look like the world.

 

Tell me, what other magazines are out there, readily available and with a Christian slant, for teens? What else did the publishers have to model this on?

This might be an interesting experiment. Can you imagine a pervert opening up what he thought was a simple nasty pic only to be confronted by the Word of God? I'm not sure I'd be brave enough to try it but I wouldn't fault someone else for doing it.

Hmmm, that's one I haven't heard lately. Whyn't you explain just how earthly differs from worldly.

My parents used to try to tell me the difference between earthly and worldly when attempting to explain why I couldn't watch Star Trek (we're talking the ooooollldddd Star Trek) but was allowed to watch sporting events that: a) had beer/cigarette ads every 10 minutes, or b)were being gambled on.

They never succeeded. Maybe you'll do a better job.

So, what pictures are worldly on the Biblezines you posted. The one of three lovely young ladies? The kid on the skateboard? The on holding an electric guitar? Do Christian teens not participate in these sorts of things. Are these things inherently sinful/worldly?

 

Why would they have to "model" it on anything. Why not simply publish a Christian magazine geared toward youth. There are plenty out there that look like Christian magazines.

You can't be serious. Why don't you do a little research and study the issue for yourself. That way, you'll not reject my explanation but you'll see it for yourself. I can already tell that nothing I could say would convince you.

You still haven't answered my question. "What, according to the Scriptures, is worldly (worldliness)?

 

Missed it, sorry. Give me a few minutes and I'll be back. Then I have to get to work! As much as I love these discussions they are not helpful towards getting my work done!