What is DeLay's crime?

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  1. church mouse guy

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    Reading the indictment, I don't see what DeLay did wrong. All he did was accept contributions and forward them to the National Party, right? The fact that the National Party supported Texas candidates is just the sort of thing that a national party does.
     
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    But is it right or wrong...what the national party just does? I don't know.

    You guys do have certain laws in force during elections don't you? Is what he did against the law or not?
     
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    I'll go check it out.
     
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    It looks like the crime was that the contribution was given by a corporation and the timing of the contribution. Is it against the law to do that? I don't want to go searching throughout your criminal code and it didn't quote the law, it only gave the reference. So if it's against the law, then justice was done wasn't it? If it is not against the law then this would be a huge injustice.
     
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    I don't blame you for not wanting to spend time on this. I think that DeLay is charged with sort of an ex post facto thing. He took up donations and forwarded them to the National Party. The National Party later decided to support some local candidate. That is the way that I understand it but I really don't know what they are talking about. I don't see how Texas law could cover what the National Party did. I truly don't understand it.
     
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    Yeah it is too complicated for me. Maybe justice was done, but there is a chance that it wasn't. Man I hope I can go to law school some day. [​IMG]
     
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    Yes, the problem was that the contribution came from a corporation and that it was given within 60 days of the election, which is against the law in Texas.

    There is no doubt it is going to be hard to prove conspiracy, it always is! But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be pursued.

    I am happy for the indictment for the simple reason that DeLay is now out of control. The monolithic voice of the Republican party was getting hard to take, DeLay was a big reason for that.

    It is time that the Republicans started acting like it and cut spending, shrink the size of government and get rid of the the stupid Patriot Act.
     
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    Texas state law forbids the corporations from giving over a certain amount to state politicians within 60 days of an election. Delay allegedly circumvented the law by fowarding the contributions his PAC collected to the RNC which, in turn, forwarded a too similar amount to the Texas politicians from the same bank account.

    Whether or not he'll be convicted remains to be seen.

    What goes around, comes around.
     
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    If the indictment is correct (and I'm sure if they are going after Tom DeLay they made sure it was) he is very guilty.

    The check apparently went with a note listing candidates and the amounts for each candidate.
     
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    I don't see that the GOP is hurt except that there will be some confusion for a short period of time. The Patriot Act is supported by both parties and both parties have wanted it to be stronger so I don't see that it will be dismantled.

    I don't see that the GOP will cut spending either. Congressmen have drawn the map so that most of them have safe seats with little or no opposition on election day. In effect Congress has been gerrymandered into rotten boroughs. What needs to be done is to make Congressional districts as square as possible so that each district has 1/435th of the population and is as boxy looking as possible.

    We don't get much news about DeLay here. We hear more about Mike Pence, who is heading up a conservative coalition of some kind.
     
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    Had a Democrat done this, nobody would have thought about indicting him. The Democrats can do no wrong, the Republicans are guilty until proven innocent.
     
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    Indictments are easy to get in Texas.

    The charge is "conspiracy", the easiest of all indictments to get, but the hardest to prove in court.
     
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    Had a Democrat done this, nobody would have thought about indicting him. The Democrats can do no wrong, the Republicans are guilty until proven innocent. </font>[/QUOTE]Got proof? It sounds a little like crying too. Which we all know that Republicans accuse Democrats of doing right? :D
     
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    Do you think that Delay did not do what he is charged with doing or do you think he did but it doesn't matter?


    That's not a good thing.

    Well, at least it is a conspiracy for something that was actually done and not something they merely discussed doing. I mean, there should be actual evidence, such as an audit trail. If there is not, then the case should be dismissed.
     
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    On NPR this morning, one of the people that was interviewed noted that the DA, Ronnie Earl (I think that's the name), has gone after both Republicans and Democrats in his time. DeLay's claim that the DA is going after him because he's Republican is typical partisan nonsense from the accused. Bill Clinton mastered this tactic, particularly with Ken Star.

    What I found interesting was the comment that Earl goes after Republicans and Democrats both, depending on who's in power. I wonder if that old chestnut about "power corrupts" applies in this case? DeLay has been at the forefront ever since the Republicans took the House in 1994. Maybe he had too much power for too long and started thinking he was above the law. I think we've seen the last of Tom DeLay in a position of power.
     
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    Jim Wright.

    </font>[/QUOTE]I don't remember Jim Wright being indicted for anything. :confused:
     
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    Jim Wright.

    </font>[/QUOTE]I don't remember Jim Wright being indicted for anything. :confused:
    </font>[/QUOTE]Yes, you're right.

    He lost his Speakership, but was not even indicted.

    (You replied while I was still editing - I often rethink & doublecheck, which would be better done before hitting the "add reply" button. Oh, well.)
     
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    "What I found interesting was the comment that Earl goes after Republicans and Democrats both, depending on who's in power."

    He would be like me. I am against whomever is in power at the present time due to the fact that yes, power corrupts. To be in opposition holds the government accountable. I think most people SHOULD be against whomever is in power but that's my opinion.
     
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    To some extent.

    Going back to Jim Wright, anyone who assumes the Speaker of the House role might as well just paint a big, red bull's eye on his back.
     

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