What is False Teaching or a False Teacher, can we agree on This?

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  1. revmwc

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    Now how do we identify a false teacher?
    1. They hinder believers from obeying the truth.
    2. What truth?
    a. the Galatians were cut in on and the Law was added that is keeping the Law to keep your salvation.
    b. Not only that but it is anything that distracts someone from following the true gospel that is Salvation by Grace through faith.
    3. Others teach things which a source other than the Bible for instance someone who states "well I am not sure Jesus is the only means of salvation", could we consider that a false teaching?
    4. False teachers also try to gain control of the organization or the church.
    5. They try to shake a believers confident expectation in the Lord Jesus and His salvation by adding the keeping of the Law or Circumcision to salvation.
    6. they spread false accusations at those who teach the truth of salvation.

    We need to all be very careful about accusing someone of being a false teacher for the discipline of God intended for false teachers can very easily be chastisement brought upon the false accuser.
    We must have proper biblical doctrine in order to discern the truth. We need to understand that just because something goes against a traditional teaching you have had doesn't mean it is false, Disagreeing on doctrines, can sometimes be just that, we must be able to prove it is false, not just make a railing accusation.

    a. Disagreeing on those things without proper biblical backing or even having an adequate knowledge for opposition is falsely accusing one of false teaching.

    b. If many teach one doctrine.

    c. Another person another doctrine

    d. But both are reasonable with scripture both can back thier view up but in reality they are just theories

    e. Both will say the Holy Spirit lead them to their conclusion

    f. Similar to the theory of evolution it sounds plausible

    g. But the Bible says God created the heaven and the earth in 6 literal days,
    Both are Theories they cannot be 100% proven.

    h. Oh wait some will offer up, the Gap theory,

    i. Others Theistic evolution

    j. Some the Day age theory

    k. So which is right?

    l. I believe the 6 literal days are supported by scripture,

    m. Others believe scripture states their point of view, who is right,

    n. All are theories we cannot prove any of them with certainty, we just believe what we see in scripture.

    o. To call someone a “doctrinally incorrect brother” but lack all the things required to prove it.

    p. Here in is the problem, with saying someone eschatology is off

    q. We can get many who agree with the a-mil view and just as many who hold with the Pre-Trib view, which of these is not correct and a false doctrine, by this standard neither.

    r. Why because it is an acceptable doctrine by many in the church it is differing points of views not false doctrine.

    s. Same with the belief that God supplies the Faith to be saved and those who believe God gave man volition.

    t. Both have scriptural backing both can be debated and neither can prove the other wrong, they may think they can but we cannot truly do so.

    u. Yet many want to call the other a False Teacher or say it is a False Doctrine.

    v. We all need to be very careful in labeling something false.

    w. I don’t believe I have ever done that here if I have it was unintentional.

    x. I believe God has given us volition to make choices and while my methods of studies and beliefs differ from some of you I respect your viewpoint.

    In fact I will study through the doctrine as we debate with your point of view and ask God the Holy Spirit to guide me to the truth, I will utilize commentaries and try to decipher what that author was saying and go to the interlinear for guidance. Sometimes reading it through 5 or more times to be able to clearly understand what is being stated, I don't stop untill I see clearly what is being said. I do this with both views in mind and I find many times that the way I originally believed it comes through while at other times my view is changed. We all need to approach these issue in this manner so that we can be in unity not separate. Will we gain unity most of the time, no, should we, of course. There really is only one true answer, it may be the middle ground between those views. But it is there, I try to ensure what I say is studied through and done several times. Hopefully we can agree on at this and stop all the accusations of something we cannot prove to be true or flase
     
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    You're a false teacher, rev! Only a false teacher would list out their ideas with letters rather than numbers.

    (ignore Psalm 119 and the other Hebrew acrostic poems please)

    [/sarcasm, b/c some people can't tell]
     
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  3. Darrell C

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    Now hold on just a minute, the Inspired Writers of Scripture used letters often!

    ;)


    [/humor, b/c some people can't tell]



    God bless.
     
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    Hopefully so or somebody just violated the rules of board
     
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    revmwc, that was a lot of stuff in the OP. BiggrinWhy can't we just say that a false teacher is one who teaches contrary to what Scripture teaches and does it for benefit of self rather than 2 Tim 3:16-17?Thumbsup

    16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
     
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    Because we have folks on this board who see any doctrine that is opposite of theirs as false doctrine and say it is without offering the correction, they just throw the accusation, when in fact it isn't false it is just the opposing view on it.
     
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    Now you just spoke the WHOLE truth there.[​IMG]
     
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    I try to avoid that label. I came close here on the BB to accusing the teachers of "Hebraic roots" as false teachers.

    My preference is to identify the "false teaching" in order to warn others.

    My avoidance is because the phrase has a very subjective meaning.

    Hebraic Roots followers are similar to messianic Christians (keeping of parts of the law, Sabbath keepers , Jewish feast keepers, etc) however they have a great difficulty with the doctrine of the Trinity.

    IMO, To deny the Trinity is False Teaching - with upper case. They don't come right out and deny the Trinity (although at least one of their teachers has) they avoid it though, even when asked they say things like "it's to complicated to explain" - a dead giveaway that for the most part they do not believe in the Trinity - strange because the seem to admit to the deity of Christ.

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    Identifying false teaching is most important.

    By first showing the truth and then the false teaching that departs from that truth gives the readers / listeners meat from which to feast.

    However, I have more than once wondered if the political / social pressures of the gentile heathen against anything Jew did not in some ways hinder the typical Christian from understanding the OT as important. Is it not true that most believers have little interest and insight into the temple, the law, the traditions, the thinking of the Jew?

    Because long dead men such as Augustine, Jerome, and Luther, and political / religious organizations such as the early RCC, Russian Orthodox Church, Nazism, and leaders as reflected by Roosevelt, Churchill, even going back to early Engish rulers (Edward 1) and Russian rulers (Catherine the Great) the history is filled with antisemitic teachings.

    In the most recent times, the protestant denominations have stopped reaching out with mission work to convert specifically only one ethnic group - Jews. The protestant groups include the Presbyterian, Episcopalian, and Methodist groups. Baptists and in particular SBC have had this issue of no longer doing mission work to the Jews as a question more and more. There is pressure to hinder such mission efforts.

    It is puzzling to me that the later RCC (past 100 or so years) has actually targeted the Jews for conversion.

    I wonder if that isn't something lately developed that will bring them both into alliance. That the great false prophet of the Revelation, who will persuade the Jews to accept the personification of Satan.
     
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    I completely agree that the Jews are neglected by mission boards. Not only that but I also agree that antisemitism is a problem within the history and scope of Christianity.

    But then again I am somewhat prejudice the other way because last summer we found out for sure that my maternal grandmother was of a Prussian Jewish family by the name of Sulke (her name was changed by a misspelling to Sulkey), she later (after coming to America) married my Italian grandfather which theoretically makes me an ethnic Jew as the ethnicity runs through the maternal bloodline. Religiously of course I am Christian of Baptist flavor.

    I must admit however that my thinking about Judaism changed somewhat when we knew for sure that my mother's side of the family was of Jewish descent - that explained a lot about my grandmother. My sister found the European marriage and birth records of my grandmother's side of the family. We could only speculate because at the time a mixed marriage was verboten - my grandfather insisted all the children were to be baptized Catholic.

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    Just curious as to what changed in your thinking concerning Judaism when you found this out.


    God bless.
     
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    revmwc,
    Why do you think they have to do this?

    So...it should never be done? or how would you say it should be done?
    This could be a problem....someone with false doctrine thinks he has truth ,correct?
    So if someone is raised dispensational but then learns others are not...what should he do?

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    Most here cannot describe opposing views....should they not post and keep the ignorance to themselves, or humbly ask questions?

    Most times one is correct and one is wrong.

    a sure sign of the flesh at work...
    not to me....


    scripture is right...it does not matter what they believe. their belief does not change scripture.
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    not "everything" is a theory.....there is objective truth.

    or they are correct, the person is doctrinally in error, but the person does not have the time to answer in full

    one view is correct, the others might have small amounts of truth but depart at some point.

    NO...not at all God is in control, not man, one is truth the other is error.

    no...the person in error is misusing the scriptures, wresting scripture to their own destruction;
    13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

    14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

    15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

    16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

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    I'm not sure why but the OT had a new fascination for me.
    The Law and the prophets.
    Judaism is part of my heritage though I'm a gentile for all practical purposes.
    Judaism stopped with my maternal grandmother - none of her children who were Catholic because of my Italian grandfather had Christian first names. (Anna, Barbara, Dorothy). I remember lots of borscht, chicken liver, corned beef and other non-Italian food whenever we visited her which I barely remember but now makes sense.
    On my father's side everyone is/was Italian.
    I'm a mutt.

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    We are all mostly mutts, lol, and that is not a bad thing. After all, if we go back far enough we are all related. Of course, none of us wants to be the weird cousin...

    And wait a minute, are you saying corned beef is a Jewish food? If so, I didn't know that. Love that stuff. Everyone thinks it;s an Irish dish. There's a movie about an IRA operative with Harrison Ford and Brad Pitt, Pitt having come from Ireland. Ford's wife fixes him corned beef and cabbage and when she asks him about it he says "I never had it before."

    Anyway, I can understand your statement now. I would say that I don't really see it a part of your heritage in the sense we see in the First Century, where people were brought up to live, eat, and drink Judaism. Historically speaking, yes, but in large part no-one has practiced Judaism in truth for a long time. I did see a documentary of a Samaritan man who offered up a sacrifice, but as far as true Judaism goes, that is gone. The Judaism of today is a bit watered down, if you ask me, because it cannot be practiced as it is commanded to be.

    Oh, almost forgot to mention, we owe a great debt of gratitude to the Italians: what would this world be without Pizza?


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    Yes corned beef is loved by many and kosher pastrami which is to die for. The thing about being Irish is that a "boiled dinner" could be corned beef and cabbage or ham and cabbage, both with Boston baked beans (Boston - where I was born).

    True, biblical Judaism ended with the cross and God let it linger until AD70 when the Roman general Titus destroyed the temple and the Levitical priesthood. Today Talmudic Judaism is practiced.

    Ah yes , on my father's side everyone is Italian. We visited my paternal grandparents almost every weekend.
    We walked in the door after my Italian grandmother got home from early morning mass and ate a continuous meal until late in the evening.

    I guess I'm one eighth Jewish but I still qualify as an ethnic Jew because the bloodline is through my maternal lineage (although I've never had a "bris" - don't ask - look it up.. :) ) And I do eat a LOT of pork products.

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    They deny the true Gospel, and are in errors concerning the essnentials of the faith...
     
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    If you want to see false teachers then go into a progressive church
     
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    how is determined which is right? Scripture is clear on salvation being by Grace through faith, most agree on that. Scripture says whosoever believes in the savior that is has Faith will have everlasting life. Simple believe and Romans 10:13 says call, so mankind must have Faith and call. But where does that faith come from, Faith comets by hearing and hearing by the word of God, that is the things spoken or written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Simple a person is convicted by the Holy Spirit and by their own volition believes. Scripture is so clear. But do folks see it different you bet they do, is theirs false teaching?
     
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    No......sorry. It is not a matter of seeing it differently.
    It is truth or error.
    Jn 1 :13 declares...

    Not of the WILL of man.......that is truth.
    You say it is of the will of man....that is falsehood.
     
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    Jesus said whosoever believe that on Him shall have everlasting life, that is truth according to Christ, so who does whosoever include? All who by faith believe
     

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