What is the life of one child worth?

This is your reason for advocating that man take the place of God?


Amazing!

 

I advocated no such thing. Read in context carpro. It is a rhetorical question in response to another question, not an advocacy of anything.

 

Stop running backwards.

It gets tiresome.

 

Believe it.

And get used to it.

Some Christians believe man playing God by murdering babies is OK if it meets their political agenda.

 

Nobody light a match. This strawman will catch the whole place on fire!

 

MP, you've proposed several analogous arguments. Unfortunately, none of them work for this subject.

First, let's consider that the premise is "choice." In order to consider that a valid premise, we must determine: Who's choice? The mother's? The father's? The unborn baby's?

I previously said I am pro-choice. I support that unborn baby's choice and right to be born. However, I do not support the mother's or father's choice to abort (kill with prejudice) the unborn baby.

You (or someone) mentioned soldiers; as was pointed out, if a soldier is killed, it was the government's choice to enter into the conflict; but it was the soldier's choice to place himself in harm's way for the protection of others. In an abortion, the baby gets no such freedom to choose.

You used airlines as an analogy; this fails for the same reason. Even if as many as 1% of planes were falling out of the sky, it would still be the airlines' choice to continue putting planes in the sky, and the individual's choice to get on that plane, fully knowing the risk. In an abortion, the baby doesn't get to make that choice.

Find an analogy where an individual is legally murdered without having an individual choice in the matter. I can only think of legal execution, and that doesn't apply either, because the individual has been found guilty of a crime against society. Unless you can show that an unborn baby is a crime against society, this analogy doesn't work, either.

 

JC do you know any poor black children who die because of inadequate health care. If so it is your Christian duty to help them.

Do you know that noncombatants have been killed by our troops in Iraq; or are you taking the words of Turbin Durbin, John kerry, and Murtha?

Do you know without doubt that so-called criminals have been murdered on death row even though they are innocent. As you would say; Source Please.

Where in Scripture does it say that all life is precious in the sight of God?


Nearly everything you post on this Forum is an attempt to justify your support of the abortionist O'bama. You don't have to justify it to the Forum but to God.

 

Don, thanks for your rational and reasonable reply. I actually was not trying to make an analogy. Rather I was demonstrating the mathematics of saying it is only a small percentage, and the implications of that. I hear what you are saying and respect it, and we are not as far out of agreement as you might think. I could go for legislation limiting abortion, with exceptions. What I can not do is support a blanket ban.

 

Abortion is NOT the only issue. There are other issues relevant to the Sanctity of Life like war and capital punishment.

 

I've read your posts; I know we're not that far apart in our thinking.

Consider the mathematics: the times that abortion is used for health of the mother is less than 1%. So, effectively, unless abortionists start labeling everything they can as "for the health of the mother," you've effectively laid a blanket ban on abortion.

As far as rape, I can't support abortion for a rape. If you try to put it into perspective of victim, there are two: The woman who was raped, and the baby that didn't choose to be a product of a rape. They've both found themselves in an untenable position--but for some reason, killing one of them is acceptable.

 

MP, I am reading through the straw men you have posted on this thread in which you seem to be minimizing abortion and the murder of innocent babies. You do realize you are on a mine field here in violation with the amended posting rules. So perhaps you should tread very carefully and forget these straw men you have been throwing out here which seem to question God (miscarriages) and minimize abortion (mathematics, etc.). Food for thought.

Lady Eagle
Moderator

 

LE, do YOU know what a strawman is? Please cite one that I have laid out here. And read my posts again. I have definitely not minimized abortion. The mathematics was demonstrating that even one percent of a large number is a lot of lives impacted. I know you like to wield power, but I have done nothing against the new rule. I have not questioned God either...merely used miscarriage as a rhetorical device to make a point, which is clear if you take off your filters and read the posts in their entirety without preconceived ideas. You and a couple of others either ignore my point, twist it, or miss it entirely. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. If you had read my posts, you'd know that I am totally against most abortions. And unless I am missing something, I seem to recall that expressing a personal opinion is still within bounds.

You are also welcome to PM me at any time.

 

3 issues...

Capital punishment--- a person chooses to commit a capital offense knowing they are going to be put to death... = their choice to die.

War--- A soldier chooses to put their life on the line.. knowing they could die.. .still their choice to die.

Abortion--- The baby doesn't chose to die... The mother (sometimes father) chose to commit murder.


Out of the 3 issues.. the only one that has no choice is the baby in an abortion.

A person is not qualified to serve in a public office in my opinion if they feel the murder of innocent babies should be legal.

They are disqualified, in my opinion and vote...
Other things that would disqualify someone from my vote...

A racist
An extortioner
an embezzler
An unrepentant adulterer...

I don't care how great a man is.. if they are a racist.. they will never get my vote. (just for example)

Same thing with a pro-choice candidate...I don't care if they can bring world peace.. if they are pro-choice... they will not get my vote.

 

What about if a bomb goes off and kills an infant?

 

Amen Brother!

 

I suppose you are talking about a war... right?

If the bomb was intended to kill the infant... it would be murder...

If the bomb was intended to kill an enemy.. it is part of war... and accident.

I think every civil nation on earth would love to make sure there were no innocents killed in war... but realistically that is not possible.

But I have to rest in the fact that God said there is a time for war...
Nowhere have I found in the Bible where God said there is a time to kill the unborn.

 

I find it hard to diminish the death of one infants life over another's.

 

Okay, you totally lost me. Please explain.