What IS the Sabbath Rest?

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  1. Claudia_T

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    I thought that some might want to know what Seventh Day Adventists believe when it comes to the Sabbath rest. Two men named A.T. Jones and E.J. Waggoner often did writings on this and other subjects concerning Righteousness by Faith.

    Unfortunately, the Jews had turned the Sabbath into something that God had never intended at all. Jesus, however, came and restored the true Sabbath into its proper setting, by His own example. Jesus never sinned, He never broke the Sabbath, He kept it according to the commandment. You can read more on that here:



    The Gospel in Creation
    by E. J. Waggoner

    [ July 20, 2005, 03:24 PM: Message edited by: dianetavegia ]
     
  2. Claudia_T

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    or you could just go read it here instead:

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  3. Eric B

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    And all of this is precisely the point that "observing" a DAY by ceasing from PHYSICAL work is not the true intent or fulfillment of the command. That was a CARNAL application of it given to the Israelites because of sin. Gen. does not tell us what God required of adam on that first sabbath, or that He required abything of him; only that God Himself "rested", and yes, this was "spiritual".
    This is the same fallacy I was tying to highlight in the discussion I tried to start on the emotional Health gospel. You can read about this here "God shall privide all your needs" is taken out of context (God's specific dealings with Israel, spiritual salvation and a special grace to the original apostles and others in the NT), and used to try to force people into some passive docility, under the premise of God' sill for them. But has a Christian never lost everything and wound up on the street? Yes, and then we just say that was God's will for them, but we make it sounds like that could never happen. So just quit your job today, and God will take care of the rest. But the sabbath was not designed as such a "test" for us( though it was used as one for Israel). One of the "blessings" of our spiritual rest is that we are not held up to some performance based test like that.
    "strictly literal"? That basically turns the verse on it's ear/ God "puts" him in the goarden to do work, and this is saying it was for "rest".
    "our own works" is not just what we cnormall call "the works of the flesh" (sins) but also trying to justify ouselves by worlks of the OT Law.
     
  4. BobRyan

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    Not according to God's Word.

    Christ said that when the day was MADE it was made as a blessing FOR mankind (Mark 2:27).

    Christ the Creator HIMSELF - "made it" in Gen 2:3 according to scripture because on that day it was MADE "A holy day".

    In Exodus 20:8-11 we are told that the Gen 1-2:3 details "ALONE" establish the day as a rest day "BECAUSE God rested" not BECAUSE God later thought it might be good if mankind ALSO rested. The argument IN The commandment is that the FACT of God resting and the fact of the day being made a holy day -- those facts ALONE establish the obligation for mankind to show honor and respect for what God has MADE a Holy Day -- by observing that HE rested and we are to "do likewise".

    Impossible to miss.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Read the above quote, Bob. God's rest was not PHYSICAL, as you are insisting, but spiritual. So all Exodus tell us is that it was established as such FOR THEM at THAT TIME. None of that says anything about the people before, or us now.
    I forgot to add, that just as adultery is expanded to lust, and murder to hatred, the spiritual rest is expanded to EVERY day. We are to rest in God and worship Him as Creator (as the above discussed) every day. We cannot physically rest every day, but we can spiritually rest every day, and that means letting go of works-righteousness.
     
  6. BobRyan

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    Wrong.

    God did not say "As God did not REALLY rest so you are NOT to REALLY rest" in His statement on Christ the Creator's Gen 2:3 HOLY day.

    IT was MADE a Holy Day in Gen 2:3 and God argues that THIS FACT ALONE requires that WE DO AS GOD DID.

    You say "fine - God did not REALLY REST so --- " neither should we?????

    God never makes that point - funny that you should be going that direction.

    Read the text of Exodus 20:8-11 SHOW that God points to something OTHER THAN HIS rest as the example to FOLLOW.

    It is not there.

    RAther God argues ALL aspects of obedience are BASED on the ONE EXAMPLE the ONE Model of GOD resting! AND of God MAKING the day a Holy Day IN Gen 2:3.

    God ONLY refers to the PREVIOUS Gen 1-2:3 facts to make the case for Sabbath - NOTHING new is added/changed/invented in Exodus 20:8-11 to CREATE Sabbath.

    It is said IN THE commandment to ALREADY have BEEN made a Holy Day (and Gen 2:3 points that out as well).

    The point remains.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  7. Eric B

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    Argue with Claudia's article, Bob. She is the one who said it was spiritual (I believe that too, but for the sake of this argument; I was referring to ther quote, just like you keep throwing up Moody to us). Gen. gives us "facts" of the creation of something called a sabbath, but does not give details on what it means for man. Never until Exodus. God is said to have "rested", but as the article correctly points out, this could not be physical rest. God is not a physical being.
     

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